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06-01-2011, 05:14 PM
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Excellent job PG. We're now more flexible and able to deal with whomever. Or we can tuck him on the third pairing and he can give us nice minutes there.

I'd love to see an upgrade on Gorges to play with Subban now....

Not sold on Emelin from whta I've seen, but who knows..

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06-01-2011, 05:30 PM
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Wish I could say I was thrilled by this, but I can't help but feel a tad disappointed. Gill is great guy, but he just isn't a very good hockey player. I would of preferred to let him move on.

It's not an end of the world signing, but a bit of a let down that PG is content with keeping this team the same. Seems like we almost never try to improve.

We had a chance to revamp this D into the elite category, now that seems unlikely.

If PG can move Spacek and bring in a younger, better dman, then I can understand this, but I'm not really a fan. I find it funny that fans are quoting other players responding to this signing as some sort of proof it was the right move. What do you want PK to say, I'm getting tired of covering for his slow ass?

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06-01-2011, 06:04 PM
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Second, no, there isn't much to praise him for on the ice. He is nothing more than a PK specialist.
Your ignoring his elite poke check obviously

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06-01-2011, 06:17 PM
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so the Gill bashers are still exercising their lame excuses ...

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06-01-2011, 06:20 PM
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Your ignoring his elite poke check obviously
Like pierre mcguire would say: "You sir have a big stick"

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06-01-2011, 06:24 PM
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I predict Spacek will retire because of is mysterious illness ( vertigo ? ) and weber will be traded for a real top 4.

Markov-Subban ( best paring in the east)
Emelin-xxx
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06-01-2011, 06:26 PM
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We had a chance to revamp this D into the elite category, now that seems unlikely.
The D is looking like it's going to start with Markov-Subban-Gorges. It doesn't need to be revamped to be one of the best in the league. It's going to have one of Markov or Subban out there for 50 minutes a game!

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06-01-2011, 06:36 PM
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To the people saying 2.25 is too much, c'mon! This guy was a horse for our team last year. He played huge minutes, and never really looked bad. He is a great team guy, great locker room guy. Not only that, but he has helped Subban soo much this past year. Next year, we will have Emelin and Weber and I guess still Subban who have all had relatively little NHL experience. We need a guy like Gill to teach them the ways. I would have even taken Gill at 2.5.
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06-01-2011, 06:37 PM
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so the Gill bashers are still exercising their lame excuses ...
Well did you think they'd be jumping for joy after he signed a contract for the same amount of money that a 34 year old signed with a better skill set 2 years ago?

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06-01-2011, 06:42 PM
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The D is looking like it's going to start with Markov-Subban-Gorges. It doesn't need to be revamped to be one of the best in the league. It's going to have one of Markov or Subban out there for 50 minutes a game!


Reality check: He's got mileage, missed a lot of hockey with health issues and rehabilitation. Don't be shocked if he's not the superstar you expect him to be.

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06-01-2011, 06:43 PM
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I predict Spacek will retire because of is mysterious illness ( vertigo ? ) and weber will be traded for a real top 4.

Markov-Subban ( best paring in the east)
Emelin-xxx
Gill-Gorges
Diaz
He stays on the cap even if he retires.

So unless you really just hate his personality, wouldn't make a lick of difference. Unless the Habs put him on LTIR for the year instead of letting him retire.

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Well did you think they'd be jumping for joy after he signed a contract for the same amount of money that a 34 year old signed with a better skill set 2 years ago?
they should understand that market prices have gone up, and Hal's play hasn't declined.

The only issue with Gill is potentially staying healthy -- seeing how he played 75 games in the RS alone I think it's a non-issue right now.

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06-01-2011, 06:52 PM
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The D is looking like it's going to start with Markov-Subban-Gorges. It doesn't need to be revamped to be one of the best in the league. It's going to have one of Markov or Subban out there for 50 minutes a game!
Thing is , Markov will still play with an average Defenseman.I'm not sure It's a good idea to play Gorges 25 minutes per game on the first paring.He will probably don't look thaht bad because of Markov's magic but I would like to see Markov with a legit top 4 defenseman.(not komisarek or O'byrn , )

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06-01-2011, 06:54 PM
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Kinda expensive for a 7th d-men...I love the guy but I didn't really want him back but I was almost sure he would be.

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06-01-2011, 07:18 PM
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where is The Wiz?

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06-01-2011, 07:24 PM
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Kinda expensive for a 7th d-men...I love the guy but I didn't really want him back but I was almost sure he would be.
Yeah , i remember when Gill was healthy scratch for 8 games in a row.

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06-01-2011, 07:24 PM
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Thing is , Markov will still play with an average Defenseman.I'm not sure It's a good idea to play Gorges 25 minutes per game on the first paring.
I have no doubt that it is. Gorges is not average; he is very good. Underrated even by his own fans. Not a guy I'd pick to drive a pairing, and he is purely defensive, but he's a natural partner for Markov.

And I don't expect Markov to lose much. His skill will be intact and his game has always been about his brain. He may start the season rusty, but it really sort of speaks to my point that the Habs can afford to start Andrei Markov on second-pairing minutes.

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06-01-2011, 07:28 PM
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I have no doubt that it is. Gorges is not average; he is very good. Underrated even by his own fans. Not a guy I'd pick to drive a pairing, and he is purely defensive, but he's a natural partner for Markov.

And I don't expect Markov to lose much. His skill will be intact and his game has always been about his brain. He may start the season rusty, but it really sort of speaks to my point that the Habs can afford to start Andrei Markov on second-pairing minutes.
Gorges needs to get stronger in order to be a really good partner for Markov. These two when playing together have a lot of difficulties clearing the front of the net... Horton and Lucic would feast on it...

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06-01-2011, 07:31 PM
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Gorges needs to get stronger in order to be a really good partner for Markov. These two when playing together have a lot of difficulties clearing the front of the net... Horton and Lucic would feast on it...
I'm not worried. Those two are very strong positionally and that's far more important than muscle, plus Horton and Lucic play dump-and-chase and Markov would move the puck before they got there (see: Subban, PK).

Besides I suspect you'd see (Emelin/Gill)-Subban paired up against that line, and Markov-Gorges deal with the far more dangerous Bergeron.

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06-01-2011, 07:44 PM
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Kinda expensive for a 7th d-men...I love the guy but I didn't really want him back but I was almost sure he would be.
Gill is still a very serviceable bottom-pairing NHL defenseman as long as he has the proper partner to compliment his style, so basicly he needs a mobile puck mover who can make up for his foot speed and transition limitations. For crying out loud the guy played on the FIRST-pairing with Subban last season for a long stretch and the pairing was our best. Let's not act like he's useless..

We have a good selection of D-men that can log minutes with Gill, Gorges is proven to work extremely well with him, Subban has proven it as well although I think he is better used with a partner that can log more minutes, and I think Weber would compliment Gill very good as well. Gill would serve as a mentor to Weber like he did with Subban last season.

I totally agree it would be nice to get a legit Top 4 D-man to round out our core, we have A LOT of bodies back there at the moment though.

These are my rankings right now.

1.Markov
1b.Subban
4.Gorges
5.Gill
6-7-8.Weber/Yemelin/Spacek

The last 3 spots are pretty interchangable as far as I'm concerned, a lot will be decided through camp or perhaps Spacek will be moved or perhaps Weber in some sort of package (although like my earlier posts have stated, I'd like to see us start the season with Weber in the mix, maybe as 4th line winger if needed... He's versatile that if there is an injury on D we can shift him there and let the hurt guy sit the game out to not risk aggrivating the injury).

So clearly we are missing a true #3-4 guy at the moment. Wisniewski can be that guy, price pending. Hamrlik can be that guy on a 1-yr basis, I'm sure of. Spacek is capable of playing like a #3-4 at times, but it's hard to gauge what we will get out of him. Perhaps Yemelin or Weber can procress into this type of defenseman over the course of he season but I'm far from banking on it. The one guy I'd be willing to offer up Markov-like money for is Ehrhoff. A top-4 of Markov-Subban-Ehrhoff-Gorges is one of the, if not the best in the league. Ultimately management will have to decide between stacking the defense with a UFA signing like Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Brewer, Wisniewski, or going with a relatively unproven young core and hope they pan out and go after a scoring forward like Laich or Cole.

Either direction they go in, we should be improved. It's just a matter of perception of which we need more, that elite core of defenseman or more scoring depth? Frankly we need a little bit of both. Gomez is certainly capable of contributing more and if he does, the need for a scoring forward would be less significant.

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06-01-2011, 07:57 PM
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Good news....yeah he's slow and single dimentional, but he's a good guy to have on and off the ice.

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06-01-2011, 08:23 PM
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To me PK specialist is worth praise on it's own, but he's also an experienced/reliable D-man who blocks a ton of shots. There's a reason he was on the ice when the Pens counted down the seconds to their last Stanley Cup. Ovechkin also said he was a hard defenseman to play against (heard Marinaro say this today). He's not Pronger or Chara by any means but he's good at what he does. And I didn't call you anything I meant the average fan doesn't necessarily see what he provides. That doesn't mean you specifically (although I will put more weight in what his teammates and the Habs org think than what you do, no offense).
Like I said, if he's a Specialist, there's not much to praise. Would you praise MAB?? I don't think so. Gill is the same except on the PK. At ES, he's not great, really, he isn't (and I'm being nice).
The ''there's a reason why he was on the ice during the Game7'' argument has been countered. First of all, Detroit was with an extra man, so it's a PK type of situation, if he wasn't on the ice, then he wouldn't even be considered a top PKer. Also, if you look at the replay, his focus on shot blocking actually creates a beautiful chance for Zetterberg. Don't forget that was 3years ago, 4 next year, and this season he was on the ice for the GWG in Game7. So let's stop pretending like he's one of the best Dman in the NHL. He really isn't that good outside the PK.

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The D is looking like it's going to start with Markov-Subban-Gorges. It doesn't need to be revamped to be one of the best in the league. It's going to have one of Markov or Subban out there for 50 minutes a game!
But it isn't set in stone that Markov will even start the season. Early reports were claiming he would be out for a full year, which set his return for Mid-November.

I agree, we didn't need to revamp it considering we would be getting Markov and Gorges back. But I think with a Hammer willing to take on a discount, and a smaller role, I feel we could have had one of the best D squad in the NHL. I still think this is a possibility though, but I would have preferred more assurance. Say Markov gets injured again (very possible), Spacek struggles, Emelin doesn't fit, then what..??

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I'm a good guy to have on and off the ice, but I am not skilled enough to be paid 2.25m a year...you don't see me signing for that much, now do you? GTFO now please.
wow just calm down man, everyone has a right to an opinion and i agree with the other poster, gill is great at what he does and he deserves it for what he does on and esecially off the ice

his salary might be the same but his % of the team's salary cap is lower with the next cap increase so i dont see what the problem is, and most importantly, its only for 1 year

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wow just calm down man, everyone has a right to an opinion and i agree with the other poster, gill is great at what he does and he deserves it for what he does on and esecially off the ice

his salary might be the same but his % of the team's salary cap is lower with the next cap increase so i dont see what the problem is, and most importantly, its only for 1 year
This is why I am endorsing the signing. Gill is getting a lot of flak, he's fine on the bottom-pair which barring injuries is where he will be playing. Anything more than a year and I'd be ripping this deal to shreds.

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This is why I am endorsing the signing. Gill is getting a lot of flak, he's fine on the bottom-pair which barring injuries is where he will be playing. Anything more than a year and I'd be ripping this deal to shreds.
You mean like the last couple of years?

If the D looks like this...........

Markov - Emelin

Spacek - Subban

Gill - Gorges

.............and one of Markov or Subban get injured this D corps (corpse) is toast. Please tell me there are moves to be made. No Wiz. No Hammer. No points. Just a couple of media guys in Gorges and Gill.

I wouldn't have had trouble with Gill being signed if it were the last thing on Gauthier's agenda - a spot to fill on the D. It's not like the Habs need any experienced top four D-men or a high scoring forward. Gill was the absolute priority. LOL

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