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Did Dale Hawerchuk Want Out of Winnipeg?

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05-31-2011, 09:58 PM
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Did Dale Hawerchuk Want Out of Winnipeg?

When he was traded to Buffalo - was that his or management's decision? Thanks!

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05-31-2011, 10:07 PM
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When they showed his little video about Winnipeg getting a new team on TSN he said he was so happy they got a new team and they should have never left in the first place and he seemed genuinely affectonate towards the city and team.

If he wanted out it had to have been from a success standpoint.

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05-31-2011, 10:46 PM
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Hawerchuk wanted out because of management. I read an article recently where he was quoted as saying "I never would have left if Mike Smith hadn't come along."

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The above post is correct.

Hawerchuk loved Winnipeg, but he simply couldn't put up with Mike Smith's negativity and attitude any longer. By 1990, he decided to ask for a trade to save his career. He had requested a trade to Toronto, but that couldn't arranged.

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Just wanted more money

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And he was Montreal's other option in the Chelios for Savard trade.

What could have been.

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The above post is correct.

Hawerchuk loved Winnipeg, but he simply couldn't put up with Mike Smith's negativity and attitude any longer. By 1990, he decided to ask for a trade to save his career. He had requested a trade to Toronto, but that couldn't arranged.
If a deal with Toronto was made, do you think someone like Wendel Clark would've headed to the Peg?

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From what I vaugly remember he had a contract despute with Mikhail Smith.
So he was shipped out.... Still hate Smith for that

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Flip side of that...I loved having him here in Buffalo. He quickly became my favorite player. We used to rent the ice when the Sabres still used Sabreland as their practice facility...a lot of times we were getting on the ice while some of the Sabres were coming off. Hawerchuk was one of the handfull of players that would stand around and chit-chat with us as we waiting for resurfacing. Awesome player and awesome guy. I think I was clinically depressed when he went to Philly.

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From what I vaugly remember he had a contract despute with Mikhail Smith.
So he was shipped out.... Still hate Smith for that
He wanted out because of Mike Smith . I was not happy at all to recieve who we recieved.

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Mike Smith was the main reason Hawerchuk left. It wasn't the same when John Ferguson was fired.

Hindsight the trade was 50/50. We got Housley and Tkachuk out of it.

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Flip side of that...I loved having him here in Buffalo. He quickly became my favorite player. We used to rent the ice when the Sabres still used Sabreland as their practice facility...a lot of times we were getting on the ice while some of the Sabres were coming off. Hawerchuk was one of the handfull of players that would stand around and chit-chat with us as we waiting for resurfacing. Awesome player and awesome guy. I think I was clinically depressed when he went to Philly.
I saw him at an old timers game several years ago.. he was still so slick with the puck it was ridiculous. Especially considering he had to retire because his hip was done.

And he was very nice too.

In his playing days he was a very good player. Too bad his Jets were stuck in the same conference as the dynasty Oilers and the Flames at the top of their games.

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Mike Smith was the main reason Hawerchuk left. It wasn't the same when John Ferguson was fired.

Hindsight the trade was 50/50. We got Housley and Tkachuk out of it.
it's funny that the jets got tkachuk out of that deal because they actually swapped first round picks with buffalo and buffalo got the much higher pick. unfortunately for them, they took a different big, hard-nosed winger, brad may. on the other hand, brad may did something not jet/coyote since hawerchuk has done: score a series-winning goal.

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it's funny that the jets got tkachuk out of that deal because they actually swapped first round picks with buffalo and buffalo got the much higher pick. unfortunately for them, they took a different big, hard-nosed winger, brad may. on the other hand, brad may did something not jet/coyote since hawerchuk has done: score a series-winning goal.
To be totally honest, I prefer May over Tkachuk. Atleast in the playoffs.

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Yeah Tkachuk was pretty much useless in the playoffs. We missed Housley on the blueline though..

...and guess what, he left because of Mike Smith too due to contract problems.

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And he was Montreal's other option in the Chelios for Savard trade.

What could have been.

Yeah but Savard asked Chelios what he would prefer, Winnipeg or Chicago....shocker which he picked lol

I'm with you though, Dale was by far the better player at that point and one of the top 5-6 centers in the league at the time imo.

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Huge deal for Buffalo as the next yr we landed lafontaine in the islander trade. what could have been with those 2 at center had other pieces fell into place.

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Hawerchuk wanted out because of management. I read an article recently where he was quoted as saying "I never would have left if Mike Smith hadn't come along."
One of my favorite players and I was rofl with the Smith comment. Man, Smith was terrible.

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Yeah but Savard asked Chelios what he would prefer, Winnipeg or Chicago....shocker which he picked lol

I'm with you though, Dale was by far the better player at that point and one of the top 5-6 centers in the league at the time imo.
jokes on him. he eventually had to play for mike smith anyway.

of course there are other reasons he would have wanted to go to chicago.

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An article from Hawerchuk describing the two era's of the Jets

http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/Ha...636/story.html

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"In my era, there were two Winnipegs," Hawerchuk told torontosun.com.

"There was the John Ferguson era, which was positive, upbeat, a really communitydriven team. And then the Mike Smith era, which was negative and pessimistic. That ran through the media.

"Mike Smith did a good job bringing in some talent, but I don't think the same community spirit was there.

"A lot of those guys would just go back to Europe or wherever they were from. Early on, when I played there there were probably a dozen of us who lived there year round.

"I thought I'd be a Winnipeg Jet forever, but at the end Mike pretty much made it impossible for me to really push forward with my career there."
He's still sour at Mike Smith...so is every Jets fan as well.

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To be totally honest, I prefer May over Tkachuk. Atleast in the playoffs.
Wait, what? May and Tkachuk played almost exactly the same number of playoff games in their careers - 88 and 89 respectively. May scored 4 goals. Tkachuk scored 28. What did May do to make up the 24-goal difference?

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Wait, what? May and Tkachuk played almost exactly the same number of playoff games in their careers - 88 and 89 respectively. May scored 4 goals. Tkachuk scored 28. What did May do to make up the 24-goal difference?
Seriously. In addition, Tkachuk was always the focus of the opponent's best checkers, which theoretically should have taken pressure off of his teammates.

I realize Keith disappointed greatly in the playoffs compared to expectations, but I think it's going more than a bit far to prefer a career 4th liner over him

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Thank you Mike Smith

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It wasn't money, it was Smith.

Smith was a terrible GM, and a very unlikeable person. Just read the actual quotes from Hawerchuk.

Dale has always maintained a presence in the Manitoba area. I believe he still has a cabin out near Gimli.

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