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06-02-2011, 10:59 PM
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Packaging picks to get rid of dead weight

We're saddled with big, long-term contracts that are stopping us from signing prospects like Erixon. I remember Roenick was traded a few years ago for nothing, Philly even threw in a pick just to get Phoenix to take his salary! Should we do this?

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06-02-2011, 11:15 PM
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The reason for not signing Erixon had nothing to do with cap space.

We are all aware of what contracts the Flames need to get rid of. But throwing in draft picks which the team will need in the future just to dump them somewhere else - which, by the way, won't work - is out of the question.

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06-02-2011, 11:21 PM
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The reason for not signing Erixon had nothing to do with cap space.

We are all aware of what contracts the Flames need to get rid of. But throwing in draft picks which the team will need in the future just to dump them somewhere else - which, by the way, won't work - is out of the question.
You should read Eric Francis' article in the Sun today. According to him, it had everything to do with cap space.

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06-02-2011, 11:52 PM
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You should read Eric Francis' article in the Sun today. According to him, it had everything to do with cap space.
And Eric Francis knows everything.

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And Eric Francis knows everything.
Jay Feaster said the same thing on QR77 last night. Craig Button said the same thing on QR77 tonight.

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06-02-2011, 11:56 PM
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Jay Feaster said the same thing on QR77 last night. Craig Button said the same thing on QR77 tonight.
Really, you got links? Because in the interview posted on the other thread Feaster said it was one excuse after another. With the Cap going up to 63 million the Flames have 7 million in cap space, tons of room to sign someone to an ELC.

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Wouldn't the cap space thing just be a public thing to save face rather than say he didn't want to play in Calgary?

Honestly, I think the cap space thing is a bunch of BS because teams can exceed the cap by 10% until either the preseason or start of the regular season (something like that) and I'm sure they could've dropped some salary somewhere.

Also, very fishy that he was traded to the Rangers of all teams.

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06-03-2011, 12:03 AM
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Really, you got links? Because in the interview posted on the other thread Feaster said it was one excuse after another. With the Cap going up to 63 million the Flames have 7 million in cap space, tons of room to sign someone to an ELC.
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06-03-2011, 12:25 AM
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You should read Eric Francis' article in the Sun today. According to him, it had everything to do with cap space.
How would it be a ****ing problem........ we offered him the Maximum ELC+ Bonuses.

Francis is a complete moron.

Erixon's camp even went on to say that Sarich's contract would be detrimental to Tim down the road even though his contract expires at the end of next season!

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06-03-2011, 04:51 AM
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so anyways. theres already a tim erixon thread.........we are all going to boo him whenever he plays in calgary, the guy is now blacklisted, agreed? and pretend to blame feaster for something out of his control (got a return we should all be happy with considering the situation)


....back to the original question. do we trade picks to get rid of guys like stajan, hagman, etc.....lets stay on topic and let the erixon discusion be done is the erixon thread.


honestly forget about the guy, he didnt want to play here and now hes gone. good

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06-03-2011, 08:04 AM
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The cap space story on Erixon was just a smokescreen - he didn't want to play in Calgary and just used that as an excuse. His family has ties to NY and that's where he wanted to be - end of story.

If the Flames really want to clear cap space they still have tradeable assets they could move. Giving up even more of the future in terms of picks makes no sense.

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06-03-2011, 09:07 AM
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You should read Eric Francis' article in the Sun today. According to him, it had everything to do with cap space.
Eric Francis is an idiot. The fact you're trying to use him as a credible source ... well, no comment.

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Can I trade you for a a pick in the Thrashers fan draft? Your trolling sucks, either that or you are likely the most uninformed sports/hockey fan I've seen in a long time...oh wait we're on HF...nvm make that a few weeks.

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I believe the theory is not that the cap space prevented the Flames form signing hinm, but that Erixon felt the Flames tight cap space problem and the large number of NMC meant he might well find hinself in the minors becuase the Flames wouldn't have room for him.

The Flames are set at 1-4 on defense with little chance/desire to move any of those guys. They may well need to fill the bottom two spaces with $500,000 guys, not a $1,000,000 guy with potential bonuses.


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06-03-2011, 10:48 AM
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How would it be a ****ing problem........ we offered him the Maximum ELC+ Bonuses.

Francis is a complete moron.

Erixon's camp even went on to say that Sarich's contract would be detrimental to Tim down the road even though his contract expires at the end of next season!
Yup, Feaster brought up the expiring contracts and then the agent said "Well you're going to renew them! We know you will! "

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This team does not have enough picks to be throwing them away.

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Yup, Feaster brought up the expiring contracts and then the agent said "Well you're going to renew them! We know you will! "
We were also going to give them all a raise too. Older=moar money.

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Packaging picks to get rid of the dead weight seems like a terrible way to lose players IMO. We should package those players for picks. I bet some team in need of a center might be willing to trade a 7th for Stajan.


And our contracts have nothing to do with Erixon signing here. He didn't want to play for us, he wanted to play for the Rangers so rather than losing him and gaining a 2nd round pick as compensation, Feaster traded him for 2 2nds and a decent prospect. Feaster is not to blame here and I think he handled the situation very well.

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06-03-2011, 05:10 PM
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Packaging picks to get rid of the dead weight seems like a terrible way to lose players IMO. We should package those players for picks. I bet some team in need of a center might be willing to trade a 7th for Stajan.


And our contracts have nothing to do with Erixon signing here. He didn't want to play for us, he wanted to play for the Rangers so rather than losing him and gaining a 2nd round pick as compensation, Feaster traded him for 2 2nds and a decent prospect. Feaster is not to blame here and I think he handled the situation very well.
I disagree. Erixon wants to play in the NHL next season and he's smart enough to know that he'll be stuck in the AHL or back in Europe had he signed with us. This is because of the no movement clauses and excessive salary of our top four d-men. As stated above, the Flames 5/6 d-men will likely be scrubs that make 500,000 as opposed to Erixon on the rookie max.

Erixon knew they'd just stick him in the AHL where he'd be making the rookie max of 67,000 instead of making a million plus in the NHL with another team. Rather than blame Erixon for not signing with us, we should blame Sutter for saddling Feaster with untradeable contracts and lack of salary cap space.

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We're saddled with big, long-term contracts that are stopping us from signing prospects like Erixon.

Our contracts had nothing to do with not signing Erixon. Think for yourself and stop listening to morons like Eric Francis. Erixon didn't want to play here and that's why he's not a Flame anymore.

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I disagree. Erixon wants to play in the NHL next season and he's smart enough to know that he'll be stuck in the AHL or back in Europe had he signed with us. This is because of the no movement clauses and excessive salary of our top four d-men. As stated above, the Flames 5/6 d-men will likely be scrubs that make 500,000 as opposed to Erixon on the rookie max.

Erixon knew they'd just stick him in the AHL where he'd be making the rookie max of 67,000 instead of making a million plus in the NHL with another team. Rather than blame Erixon for not signing with us, we should blame Sutter for saddling Feaster with untradeable contracts and lack of salary cap space.
We have 4 defenseman returning next year. Bouwmeester, Regehr, Giordano and Sarich.

Bouwmeester - Regehr
Giordano - XXX
Sarich - XXX

Yeah instead of giving him a shot at a roster spot we were just going to bury him in the AHL. Don't listen to ****ing idiots like Eric Francis who aren't a part of the Flames Organization. Feaster was key on letting our prospects come to training camp and compete for a roster spot. Erixon just did not want to play here, its as simple as that. He was born in New York, his dad played for them, his cousin is one of their prospects so he wanted to play there too.

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We're saddled with big, long-term contracts that are stopping us from signing prospects like Erixon. I remember Roenick was traded a few years ago for nothing, Philly even threw in a pick just to get Phoenix to take his salary! Should we do this?
Not remotely interested... when the Flames are sauntering down suck alley you say they should pay teams to take our trash? I wouldf rather KEEP (an gain more) picks. I would even rpefer buying out to that move which would be typical of Dutter

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You should read Eric Francis' article in the Sun today. According to him, it had everything to do with cap space.
HAHAHAHA Eric Francis is an idiot

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Eric Francis literally just had to think about the situation for 10 minutes before he wrote that article to come to the conclusion we all did. Instead he epically failed to read between the lines and his article is just as dumb as Tim Erixon's excuses for not wanting to come here.

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If you heard the clip of Feaster, he was saying that him (Erixon) and his family didn't think it was the best fit for him. - kind of a generic comment

But then Feaster continued on with, he felt like he wouldn't get any playing time on the Flames, so he didn't want to sign.


And yes, the cap had nothing to do with it. The maximum that you are allowed to get for the ELC is $1 million. So the Flames would love and welcome as many of those contracts as possible.

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