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06-04-2011, 09:33 PM
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Or maybe that's just you hopefully projecting the Thrashers missteps onto their new digs. Particularly since you have no idea who they have in mind for the job.
I actually plan on following this team and hope they can succeed, so i'd rather not have to watch them screw up. It's definitely a wait and see situation, but as a Thrasher fan, we're skeptical of this decision. It could mean a big roster change going forward as well. I would think they would want to make the move as smooth as possible for everyone, but TNSE clearly wants their OWN guys on this. At least you can see where they're coming from.

I also assume there will be a new coach. That will 5 coaches in 5 years for Enstrom(not that it really affects him) and a few others. It will also be the 3rd coach for most of the young players in 3 years.

Hopefully, this will be the start of some stability with this franchise. But for now, that's still not happening.

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off topic but does this mean ramsey is done as well?
No one knows
Waiting for the new gm
So reports say

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06-04-2011, 09:33 PM
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I guess True North is intent on taking the franchise in a new direction.

This makes me concerned for the upcoming draft.

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06-04-2011, 09:34 PM
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off topic but does this mean ramsey is done as well?
we're hearing kevin chevaldayoff for GM and claude noel as caoch.

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Would have been fine with Rick staying as he has done a fairly good job since coming to ATL, however before that his record is not as good. I trust that TNSE will make the right decision, good hockey people up and down the organization.
Failry Good doesn't cut it as far as True North is concerned. In Chipman you have both a hockey guru and astute businessman. In Thompson you have the 18th richest man on earth.

The expecations are beyon good...they have be the best!

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06-04-2011, 09:35 PM
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I firmly expect for Dudley to hear from darcy regier and terry pegula

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06-04-2011, 09:36 PM
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Oh boy....don't understand why you would not retain the guy that brought in Buff and Ladd. They better hope this doesn't backfire on them.
Tallon was giving Byfuglien a small country's GDP. Someone was going to get him last summer; doing so doesn't necessarily represent savvy general management.

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06-04-2011, 09:36 PM
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Does a person's track record only go back one year?

Or do you suppose that's just an HF phenomenon?
I'd like t think a person can learn from mistakes in prior organizations and then grow as a GM with more experience. Assistant GM for a team that eventually won the cup for three years.

Clearly he had learned from mistakes and was doing a great job for Atlanta... what blunders had he made in that organization?

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06-04-2011, 09:37 PM
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Good move by TNSE. And lets home Ramsay is gone too.

The Thrashers had no success under either, be it a short tenure, but that won't cut it in Winnipeg, especially with True North. I except our organization to be run to the same standards to Moose were, and the Moose had a billion times more success at their craft than the Thrashers had at theirs.

Most of the Canucks and their coach, Randy Carlyle cup winning coach with Ducks, Scott Arniel coaching the Blue Jackets, all products of the TNSE system. I'll take my chances with their hires than carryovers from Atlanta Spirit Group.

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Pleased by this move. Not a Dudley fan. Did nothing in Tampa and Florida. His mo is making Bad trades. 6 years as GM of those teams multiple coaches and no playoffs.

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I can't really judge this move until I find out who TNSE hires to replace him.

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Well Thrashers fans, at least take solace in the fact that TNSE negotiated that ASG is picking up any contracts that they don't keep. So he gets paid out and ASG gets screwed holding the bag...

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06-04-2011, 09:41 PM
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There has been some talk they might promote their AHL GM of the Manitoba Moose Craig Heisinger. Who by the way started out in the NHL back in the day as the Equipment Manager of the Winnipeg Jets, sharpening their skates and packing their hockey bags etc... I believe he was in that position up until the time the team moved to Phoenix.
Very unlikely. The credible rumors in the last few days have been that Zinger will be the director of hockey operations, possibly also functioning in an assistant GM type of role. He's not a serious candidate for the GM position because he has absolutely no experience with the cap.

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Well Thrashers fans, at least take solace in the fact that TNSE negotiated that ASG is picking up any contracts that they don't keep. So he gets paid out and ASG gets screwed holding the bag...
I did not know that. Great idea though, why should we have to pay for ASG's baggage.

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I'm not to concerned about this move. TNSE are a smart group of businessmen who intend on building a winning team. They did so with the Moose very successfully, and they will do so with our new team. I trust their business approach to building a successful team based on past history. I'll reserve any judgement on this or any other call if/when it's proven to be warrented.

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I actually plan on following this team and hope they can succeed, so i'd rather not have to watch them screw up. It's definitely a wait and see situation, but as a Thrasher fan, we're skeptical of this decision. It could mean a big roster change going forward as well. I would think they would want to make the move as smooth as possible for everyone, but TNSE clearly wants their OWN guys on this. At least you can see where they're coming from.

I also assume there will be a new coach. That will 5 coaches in 5 years for Enstrom(not that it really affects him) and a few others. It will also be the 3rd coach for most of the young players in 3 years.

Hopefully, this will be the start of some stability with this franchise. But for now, that's still not happening.
Stability for the sake of stability would not be a good thing.

Just because ASG made changes willy-nilly doesn't mean TSNE should be beholden to what they inherited. TNSE has a history of sticking with their guys once they pick them, as their track record clearly shows. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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Very unlikely. The credible rumors in the last few days have been that Zinger will be the director of hockey operations, possibly also functioning in an assistant GM type of role. He's not a serious candidate for the GM position because he has absolutely no experience with the cap.
Exactly. He will be GMing the AHL franchise as well in that role.

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06-04-2011, 09:42 PM
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I mean, Dudley didn't do a BAD job running the Thrashers; that the franchise ceased to exist under his watch had to do with factors beyond his control. But you guys are acting like Mark Chipman just fired Scotty Bowman and called him fat on the way out. And for what? Because Dudley traded for Andrew Ladd?

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Stability for the sake of stability would not be a good thing.

Just because ASG made changes willy-nilly doesn't mean TSNE should be beholden to what they inherited. TNSE has a history of sticking with their guys once they pick them, as their track record clearly shows. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Glad to hear you'll be following WPG!

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Good move by TNSE. And lets home Ramsay is gone too.

The Thrashers had no success under either, be it a short tenure, but that won't cut it in Winnipeg, especially with True North. I except our organization to be run to the same standards to Moose were, and the Moose had a billion times more success at their craft than the Thrashers had at theirs.
Yeah I doubt with what they got to work with, that the guys who would replace them next year, could have done a better job.

Well... hopefully things work out.

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So. Let go a top 5 GM go.
Which means Ramsay will be let go.
Which means Buff/Ladd/Stuart/Wheeler are all probably pretty pissed at this move.
2 of them are RFA's.
LOLS. TNSE IS WINNAR
TNSE should return the team to Atlanta

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I did not know that. Great idea though, why should we have to pay for ASG's baggage.
It's not confirmed, but I've heard it enough times from various sources to at least make it plausible. This was apparently one of the sticking points in negotiations at the 11th hour.

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Stability for the sake of stability would not be a good thing.

Just because ASG made changes willy-nilly doesn't mean TSNE should be beholden to what they inherited. TNSE has a history of sticking with their guys once they pick them, as their track record clearly shows. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.
True. And I can't say 100% that this won't work because like I said, it's a wait and see situation. I don't like the move at all, but in time, the results will show whether or not this works.

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Ya those Buff and Ladd deals were brutal... (then signing Buff to a horrendous long term deal)
Acquiring Wheeler (23GP 17Pts) was a bust pick up
Drafting Burmistrov was a flop pick
Signing UFA Stewart was a disaster

Clearly he was setting this franchise back
Yes, one season in Atlanta eclipses his roles with four previous teams.

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I guess True North is intent on taking the franchise in a new direction.

This makes me concerned for the upcoming draft.
John Shannon of Sportsnet says the scouting staff will be at the draft,
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JSportsnet: With stories that GM position for Winnipeg is in flux, can confirm that Thrashers Scouting staff will be at team's draft table in St.Paul.
Its being reported that Rick Dudley will get a buyout over 8 years.

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