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06-04-2011, 06:27 AM
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The Fantastic 4 (an in depth look at the top 4 goalies available this summer)

1. Ilya Bryzgalov
Free Agent
6-3
210 pounds
31 years old
Russia

Assets
Has great size and goaltending instincts. Possesses a wealth of experience in big-game situations. Is well liked by his teammates. Can be spectacular when he's on.

Flaws
Can at times struggle with his agility at the NHL level, which may lead to bad nights in the crease area from time to time.

Career Potential
Solid workhorse goaltender.

2008 Coyotes 65 3760 26 31 6 187 2.98 0 -187 .906 3
2009 Coyotes 69 4084 42 20 6 156 2.29 0 -156 .920 8
2010 Coyotes 68 4060 36 20 10 168 2.48 0 -168 .921 7

Pros (to acquiring)
Is not only the best goalie available this summer, but the best goalie to become available in the free agent market in years. Is right in his prime at 31 years old (on June 22nd) and by all accounts would relish the pressure and opportunity to come here.

Cons (to acquiring)
Word is he is going to the highest bidder, period, and could even go to the KHL in that scenario. Hasn't had the best showings in the playoffs.

Projected Contract
5-6 years
5.50 - 6.00 million cap hit


2. Tomas Vokoun
Free Agent
6-0
195 pounds
35 years old
Czech republic

Assets
Is extremely tough to get a read on from a shooter's perspective because he's unpredictable. Can get red-hot for long stretches and has superb agility.

Flaws
When he's cold, he tends to lose his focus. Doesn't show enough consistency to be considered an elite-level netminder at the NHL level.

Career Potential
Excellent workhorse goaltender

2008 Panthers 59 3324 26 23 6 138 2.49 0 -138 .926 6
2009 Panthers 63 3695 23 28 11 157 2.55 0 -157 .925 7
2010 Panthers 57 3224 22 28 5 137 2.55 0 -137 .922 6

Pros
Is still an elite level goalie at his age. Would solidify the position in a major way right now, and be a perfect bridge to Bobrovsky with the amount of years he is likely looking for and will get.

Cons
Has played a ton of games throughout his career and at 35 you never know if he will slow down in the next year or two. Has limited playoff experience and success.

Projected Contract
3 years
4.00 - 5.00 million cap hit


3. Dwayne Roloson
Free Agent
6-1
180 pounds
41 years old (42 in October)
Canada

Assets
Is capable of playing spectacularly well for stretches and has leadership qualities as the last line of defense.

Flaws
Has fought consistency his entire career and is prone to going into long slumps. Over time, he has lost some of his mobility.

Career Potential
Veteran workhorse goaltender.

2008 Oilers 63 3597 28 24 9 166 2.77 0 -166 .915 1
2009 Islanders 50 2897 23 18 7 145 3 0 -145 .907 1
2010 Lightning 34 1993 18 12 4 85 2.56 0 -85 .912 4
2010 Islanders 20 1206 6 13 1 53 2.64 0 -53 .916 0

Pros
Still playing at an extremely high level despite his age. Is a well respected guy and leader in the locker room. Could be had on short term deal with a very reasonable cap hit. Has a lot of playoff experience and success

Cons
Turns 42 in October and father time has to catch up to him at some point. Appeared to wear down as the playoffs went on this season. Is a vert streaky goalie.

Projected Contract
1-2 years
1.50 - 2.50 million cap hit


4. Evgeni Nabokov
New York Islanders
6-0
200 pounds
36 years old
Kazakhstan (formerly USSR)

Assets
Has lightning-quick reflexes and the ability to snatch a sure goal away from opponents with his great glove hand. Challenges shooters well and is confident.

Flaws
His circus-save approach leads to occasional overreactions to certain shots. Can at times give up weak goals. Must step up in big-game situations.

Career Potential
Veteran goaltender.

2008 Sharks 62 3686 41 12 8 150 2.44 0 -150 .910 7
2009 Sharks 71 4194 44 16 10 170 2.43 0 -170 .922 3
2010 Played for ST. Petersberg SKA of the KHL

Pros
Has been a world class goalie for a numbers of years. Brings an extremely cheap cap hit of 0.570 and if his contract isn't tolled by the New York Islanders he would be able to signed for a cheap cap hit as an unrestricted free agent as well. Would make an excellent mentor for Sergei Bobrovsky.

Cons
Had a horrible season in the KHL last year. Is prone to letting in soft goals at times. Hasn't had great playoff success. Will be 36 years old in July and appears to be on the decline.

Contract Status
1 year (If his contract is tolled by the New York Islanders)
0.570 million


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06-04-2011, 06:32 AM
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As you all can see, I have changed the thread title and the list to represent the top four options for the Flyers goalie issue to be solved this summer. After some careful though and deliberation on the matter, I think these are the only four options, unless someone unexpected were to become available via trade.

The reasoning for this is that I just can't justify giving up assets for two goalies in Backstrom and Kiprusoff who have cap hits that are too high at 6.0 and 5.8 million, and also only have two years remaining on their deals.
Also, with Giguere, he is done as a starting goalie in this league, and certainly as an upper echelon guy, mainly because he appears to have long term groin issues at this point.

Also, I moved Roloson ahead of Nabokov on the list, simply because Nabokov hurt his stock last year by playing in the KHL and playing bad, and Roloson played in the NHL and had a heck of a season.

I still have Bryzgalov as the top option with Vokoun 2, but I am thinking about that one. If Vokoun's cap hit ends up being 1.5-2 million less than Bryzgalov's, which I think it easily could, Vokoun might end up being the better option as there isn't a huge difference in their ability and production from between the pipes. Bryzgalov is obviously a few years younger, but Bob can't sit forever and he is going to be a good one with the right development.


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I think everybody on this board is severely underrating what Vokoun is going to want in terms of money.

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I donīt want Bryzgalov -> no Playoff success and will make too much money
I donīt want Nabokov -> questionable attitude, no Playoff success, bad teacher for Bob
I donīt want Giguere -> he isnīt a no1 Goalie
I donīt want Kipper -> Cap hit too high
I donīt want Backstrom -> Cap hit too high
I donīt want Roloson -> too old, and will sign with TB

I only want Vokoun if he signs under 5,0 per

Something like: 3 Years $4,266m (5.5/4.5/3.0)

If not, make a Blockbuster trade!

Versteeg and Carle for Thomas, Backstrom, Rinne
Or Carter for Rinne, Miller, Halak, Prica

just my two cents

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Nabakov is not available and Roloson is going to be 42, not exactly a solution to our problems in net. Roloson and Bob had pretty comparable stats, in fact they are damn near identical (54 GP, 2.59 GAA, .915 SVP (.914 for Roloson)). Don't really think that adding a guy twice the age of Bob with similar stats is really going to do much in terms of improvement.

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I think everybody on this board is severely underrating what Vokoun is going to want in terms of money.
If he wants to stay in Florida, they can give him the moon. They need to spend around $30M just to get back to next year's floor.


Backstrom and Kiprusoff I don't think will be moved.

Nabokov can definitely be had. They'll have 3 goalies on one-way contracts. Although, one of them is Rick DiPietro.

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Vokoun will get more than that. The pickings this year are slim.

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Vokoun will get more than that. The pickings this year are slim.
It was supposed to say 4.00 - 5.00 million, I forgot to put in the second part.

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Versteeg and Carle for Thomas, Backstrom, Rinne
Or Carter for Rinne, Miller, Halak, Prica

just my two cents
why would any team trade a top goaltender for a winger with low trade value and defenseman who is below average defensively and will be a UFA next offseason. We dont have the prospects or draft picks(imagine that) to add to a trade.
Carter isnt going to be traded IMO

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If not, make a Blockbuster trade!

Versteeg and Carle for Thomas, Backstrom, Rinne
Or Carter for Rinne, Miller, Halak, Price

just my two cents
None of those goalies will be moved.

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If not, make a Blockbuster trade!

Versteeg and Carle for Thomas, Backstrom, Rinne
Or Carter for Rinne, Miller, Halak, Prica
Versteeg and Carle are definately not enough to get Rinne, and probably not enough to get Backstrom or Thomas either...

Carter is definately not enough to get Rinne, Miller and Price, and probably not Halak either.

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why would any team trade a top goaltender for a winger with low trade value and defenseman who is below average defensively and will be a UFA next offseason. We dont have the prospects or draft picks(imagine that) to add to a trade.
Carter isnt going to be traded IMO


Well the first thing is that Versteeg doesn't have low trade value, and Carle isn't below average defensively. If Minnesota is looking to move Backstrom, that would be a nice deal for them. They get a good young Winger and solid young top 4 NHL defenseman. It may not be the best deal they can get, but it is a good deal fro them.


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Why the **** does anyone think the Sabres would give up Miller? What the hell is wrong with you people?

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The only way I could ever see Buffalo getting rid of Miller would be when they were under previous ownership, so maybe they would trade him in an effort to use that money for some other players, or trade him for picks and prospects if they couldn't afford him.

But now under Pegula, Buffalo will spend so much more money than they have before and they'll be a competitive team for a long time.

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1. I never said, any goalie will be moved!
2. Thomas is a very old Goaltender on a very high salary, and they have Rask as a 1b Goalie. So why try to get Thomas for 2 usefull guys?

I only want to show that i want to make a Blockbuster trade for a real #1 Goalie before i sign Bryz for 5.5 or 6.x via Free agency.

And of course its very difficult to aquire a #1 Goalie, but if you use Carter and what the hell it takes, i do it any day over sign Bryz over 5.x per Year.

Bryz will have his problems in the Playoffs, mark my words!

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Why the **** does anyone think the Sabres would give up Miller? What the hell is wrong with you people?
And for packages like Versteeg and Carle too....as if the whole league is supposed to step up and help us out with our goal tending problem now that it looks like the Flyers finally got serious about it.

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Well the first thing is that Versteeg doesn't have low trade value, and Carle isn't below average defensively. If Minnesota is looking to move Backstrom, that would be a nice deal for them. They get a good young Winger and solid young top 4 NHL defenseman. It may not be the best deal they can get, but it is a good deal fro them.
Versteeg is coming off a subpar season and just needed double sports hernia surgery. There is a reason why the Flyers wont move him.
Take a poll anywhere of what the consensus about Carle's defensive abilities. If you get an honest answer and not a trolling answer you will get a view that comes nowhere near agreeing with what you think about Carles defensive game.
If Carle is a above average defensive player then I should start a campaign stating that Danny Briere is a Selke worthy forward.

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You forgot Ray Emery

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Versteeg is coming off a subpar season and just needed double sports hernia surgery. There is a reason why the Flyers wont move him.
Take a poll anywhere of what the consensus about Carle's defensive abilities. If you get an honest answer and not a trolling answer you will get a view that comes nowhere near agreeing with what you think about Carles defensive game.
If Carle is a above average defensive player then I should start a campaign stating that Danny Briere is a Selke worthy forward.
One Season is which a player was traded twice and had to adjust to two different teams, and suffered an injury, isn't going to derail a players value. He should totally recover from his injury.

Take a poll anywhere? Does that include a poll of team execs and credible NHL analysts? Because that pool will come pretty darn near agreeing with me. Like I said, if you can show me an article written by any credible NHL analyst, or quoting a professional hockey scout or talent evaluator that back up your premise that Carle is poor in his own end, I'm perfectly willing to read it.

All the information available points to one thing. That Carle is reliable in his own end.


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I'm curious, where do you rank Carle's defensive play compared to the other Dmen on this team?

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And for packages like Versteeg and Carle too....as if the whole league is supposed to step up and help us out with our goal tending problem now that it looks like the Flyers finally got serious about it.
If we added Shelley to that package, I'm sure the Rangers would give up Lundqvist

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I just want to point out that you say Vokoun is too inconsistent to be an elite-level goalie, and then in the next paragraph describe him as an elite level goalie.

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I just want to point out that you say Vokoun is too inconsistent to be an elite-level goalie, and then in the next paragraph describe him as an elite level goalie.
I'm pretty sure he has those texts from sportsnet or some other site with player profiles.

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I still say Vokoun. Cheaper. Fits the short term solution better. He's put up good numbers on a horrible team (with a defense that once physically attacked him). Plus at his age and with the team's he's played for, I'd think he'd be willing to take a good discount to play for a team with a shot at the cup.

I'd be pretty disappointed if they brought in Nabokov or Giguere (Both are done IMO). I'd be equally disappointed if they overpaid in trades for Kipper or Backstrom.

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I love how double sports hernia is somehow supposed to lessen the damage of this season to Versteeg's value. Guys are never really the same after sports hernias, particularly guys who's game is built around speed or agility. I would want him at 3 million healthy. Now, not so much.

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