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06-04-2011, 09:35 PM
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Today was the second day of the testing at the Combine and I spent much of the day talking to NHL folks or speaking with the EXACT Sports administrators of the physical and psychological testing. What I learned and will focus on here was very interesting. First of all, the testing can’t be looked at [...]

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06-04-2011, 11:26 PM
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Leslie, any idea what the Rangers are planning to do with their pick? Trade up? Trade Down? Trade for an established player, or just plain BPA?

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Leslie, any idea what the Rangers are planning to do with their pick? Trade up? Trade Down? Trade for an established player, or just plain BPA?
I really think they trade up to get the forward they want. I think its almost certain they draft a forward after taking McIlrath last year and adding Erixon.

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I believe that they will draft a forward, but this draft is so unpredictable after the first 4-6 players, I am not sure that trading up will work or is necessary. A player that is projected to go 12, may go at 30. Its a very weird draft.

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I believe that they will draft a forward, but this draft is so unpredictable after the first 4-6 players, I am not sure that trading up will work or is necessary. A player that is projected to go 12, may go at 30. Its a very weird draft.
That's also true. It does appear to be very unpredictable. I don't feel like there's a huge distinction between players after the first 5 picks or so that you can put a label on whomever as to where he will get drafted.

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My guess, and it is a guess, is that they pick the BPA.

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I believe that they will draft a forward, but this draft is so unpredictable after the first 4-6 players, I am not sure that trading up will work or is necessary. A player that is projected to go 12, may go at 30. Its a very weird draft.
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My guess, and it is a guess, is that they pick the BPA.
What if the BPA isn't a forward?

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06-06-2011, 08:06 AM
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What if the BPA isn't a forward?
I dont know, Gordie Clark was hinting pretty heavily that they should/will be drafting a forward in the Newsday article yesterday.

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No way a D-man should be drafted in the first.

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Gordie said in the newsday article that they will be going with BPA but they also have talked about drafting a forward being that they have depth at D in the organization

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I dont know, Gordie Clark was hinting pretty heavily that they should/will be drafting a forward in the Newsday article yesterday.
Ok if its another two way player or a speedster im gonna be pissed. They need a power forward with size and skill that can play top 1-2 line minutes. Not another small forward.

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My guess, and it is a guess, is that they pick the BPA.
Leslie, do you think they trade down if BPA is a Dman? This seems like a draft where we might benefit from having another pick, especially with the uncertainty after the top 10. If one of the quality dmen drops to us, I think it makes sense to trade down if another team wants to get their man.

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Ok if its another two way player or a speedster im gonna be pissed. They need a power forward with size and skill that can play top 1-2 line minutes. Not another small forward.
My guess is that there is no such player available at the 15th pick.

Your choices are safe, 3rd liner with size, or risky, top six forward with some drawback (lack of size, considered floaty and inconsistent, etc)

There is no sure bet top six player with size, speed, and skill when you're picking at 15 in this draft.

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Leslie, do you think they trade down if BPA is a Dman? This seems like a draft where we might benefit from having another pick, especially with the uncertainty after the top 10. If one of the quality dmen drops to us, I think it makes sense to trade down if another team wants to get their man.
It's not a sure fire thing to do but I could see the Rangers picking a defenseman if it was a player who very clearly dropped, and then trying to shop that player to some other teams who wanted him within the next year or so to either pick up a top six forward, or move up in next years draft (similar to what the Blues did with Rundblad)

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What if the BPA isn't a forward?
i think they would prefer a forward, but have shown that they aren't afraid to add another dman with the plan of down the road using that depth in a trade...people will be pissed but if they think the dman is significantly better than the remaining forwards it wouldn't surprise me. especially with del zotto now being a bit of a question mark...

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06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
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from gordie clark

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“Like any year, if it comes to us at 15 and there’s someone we have high on our board who’s fallen to us, we’ll take them, whether it’s a defenseman, a goalie or a forward. But maybe we need to have that talk [about drafting someone other than a defenseman] before we get to the table.”
http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2011/0...the-15th-pick/

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06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
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The Rangers and defensemen have been like the Giants and d linemen.

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Ok if its another two way player or a speedster im gonna be pissed. They need a power forward with size and skill that can play top 1-2 line minutes. Not another small forward.
But you are pretty unlikely to find that in this draft at #15. It's certainly not impossible...but the guys that we are likely to have a shot at (McNeil etc.) project to be bottom 6 guys.

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They have to trade up. Pretty simple.

They may get somewhat lucky with late rising defensemen pushing some forwards down a bit.

But we have to trade up.

Colorado or Boston maybe.

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What's BPA? Best Player Available?

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Yes.

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The Rangers and defensemen have been like the Giants and d linemen.
Except that drafting D-lineman helped the Giants win a Super Bowl. Does that mean that the Cup is ours this year?

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Ok if its another two way player or a speedster im gonna be pissed. They need a power forward with size and skill that can play top 1-2 line minutes. Not another small forward.

Yeah and I need to be Hugh Hefner and get my own Playboy Mansion.

Power forwards projected to play on the first or second lines do not last to #15 in any draft, much less a weak one.

On occasion someone will do it, but that's the rare exception, not the rule. Those guys are usually Jessiman-like in their draft year or have some other issue like being a headache or injured.

In this (weak) draft, the way to maximize the odds of getting a top-6 player is to either choose someone who is ignored and projected to go much lower because he is playing against low competition and is very raw (think Kreider in 2009) or to go for a small kid everyone is staying away from due to his size, but who has superior talent to all the big guys.

I don't understand how people expect a flawless prospect at #15 in a weak draft.

If we sacrifice something about our draftee, we should sacrifice size, not offense.

Between drafting another Savard and another Prust, I think this team is at a point where it needs to go for the offense, not for the ability to bang.


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No way a D-man should be drafted in the first.
Honestly, it depends on what they think about mdz. I am still high on him, but if they are giving up pm him, they may draft an offensive defenseman.

I doubt it happens this year. I think this year will be all forwards or maybe three forwards and one goalie.

But if MDZ does not progress this season, they may be forced to go for an offensive defenseman in 2012.

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Except that drafting D-lineman helped the Giants win a Super Bowl. Does that mean that the Cup is ours this year?
The signings of Bernard, Canty, drafting Pierre-Paul and Joseph didnt.

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If they take another D I will cry. In fact if they take any defensemen at all in the entire draft I'll be upset.

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