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06-05-2011, 10:54 AM
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Offseason Game Plan: Sabres

Another vanilla piece from Scott Cullen that regurgitates the common knowledge facts on peripheral points but misses the mark on any salient analysis:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=367944

And, if he were the GM of the Sabres, his only changes would be:

1. Replace Connolly with Boyes as the 2nd line center.

2. Promote Kassian to 3rd line wing despite no AHL development.

3. Sign Hejda as the only addition to defense.

http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculato...er.php?id=1082


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Can someone pay me to do that? Because I could have regurgitated that article in about 10 minutes.

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I talked to the CBJ fans on their board a couple weeks ago about Hejda. Apparently he is really over the hill now. He has a good reputation but I won't be pleased if he the "#2D" that Darcy comes up with.

Also WTF with intentionally casting Boyes at 2C.

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I talked to the CBJ fans on their board a couple weeks ago about Hejda. Apparently he is really over the hill now. He has a good reputation but I won't be pleased if he the "#2D" that Darcy comes up with.

Also WTF with intentionally casting Boyes at 2C.
My thought exactly - and what made his end conclusion even more illogical was that he suggests Jussi Jokinen as a possible FA acquisition that would fit in Buffalo (which I agree with).

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He even notes that Boyes was moved to center at the end of the year. And his production dropped. How do you miss the correlation (and in many's eyes, the causation)?

Blugh.

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He's TSN's short-haired equivalent to ESPN's Barry Melrose: illogical, contradictory and self-aggrandizing.


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He probably missed the memo that we have a new owner.

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Cullen's offseason scenario is like something from the Golisano era. It's going to be infuriating if Buffalo's summer unfolds similarly to his writeup.

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excellent article, would read again, etc.

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I think the comments are unnecessarily harsh. Consider the following

1. He does state that over the last 46games we went 29-11-6 and legitimately asks do we really need to have a big shake up.

2. Just because Pegulla has big pockets doesn't mean he's going to go mad.

3. He suggested either Boyes or ENNIS might be given a look at center. He didn't state Boyes fell off after moving into the middle, only that he played there more so that he did with the Blues. He suggests Brooks Laich as another option if we look to free agency.

4. Alongside Hejda he also mentions ED JOVANOWSKI, SCOTT HANNAN or ERIC BREWER as possible defensemen to sign, though remarked at the significant inhouse depth.

What Cullen said reading between the lines is that with minor adjustment we are close to being a contender capable of going deep into the playoffs.

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06-05-2011, 04:32 PM
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I think the comments are unnecessarily harsh. Consider the following

1. He does state that over the last 46games we went 29-11-6 and legitimately asks do we really need to have a big shake up.

2. Just because Pegulla has big pockets doesn't mean he's going to go mad.

3. He suggested either Boyes or ENNIS might be given a look at center. He didn't state Boyes fell off after moving into the middle, only that he played there more so that he did with the Blues. He suggests Brooks Laich as another option if we look to free agency.

4. Alongside Hejda he also mentions ED JOVANOWSKI, SCOTT HANNAN or ERIC BREWER as possible defensemen to sign, though remarked at the significant inhouse depth.

What Cullen said reading between the lines is that with minor adjustment we are close to being a contender capable of going deep into the playoffs.
But WHY DIDNT HE SAY BRAD RICHARDS IS COMING TO BUFFALO!!?!?!??!?!

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But WHY DIDNT HE SAY BRAD RICHARDS IS COMING TO BUFFALO!!?!?!??!?!
Because there is a strong possibility he isn't.

As the most coveted player in free agency he can (cap implications) go where he wants to.

Do we overpay like Briere/Flyers, Drury/Rangers, Campbell/Blackhawks and if he flunks have an untradeable albatross on our books?

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Because there is a strong possibility he isn't.

As the most coveted player in free agency he can (cap implications) go where he wants to.

Do we overpay like Briere/Flyers, Drury/Rangers, Campbell/Blackhawks and if he flunks have an untradeable albatross on our books?
I think he was being sarcastic.

The idea of Boyes playing at center at all is frightening. He's a good winger, and would allow us to roll 3 scoring lines when Pominville is healthy, and to slot him in to the 2nd line if Pominville isn't ready for the season to start.

We need outside center help or Adam needs to take a very very large leap forward with his skating.

And I think Briere has earned that huge contract of his, or has done all he can to.

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I think he was being sarcastic.
I know but Cullen is supposed to be realistic. Even with Pegulla onboard there are very few eliteplayers who hit UFA and everyone is after them

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I think the comments are unnecessarily harsh. Consider the following

1. He does state that over the last 46games we went 29-11-6 and legitimately asks do we really need to have a big shake up.

2. Just because Pegulla has big pockets doesn't mean he's going to go mad.

3. He suggested either Boyes or ENNIS might be given a look at center. He didn't state Boyes fell off after moving into the middle, only that he played there more so that he did with the Blues. He suggests Brooks Laich as another option if we look to free agency.

4. Alongside Hejda he also mentions ED JOVANOWSKI, SCOTT HANNAN or ERIC BREWER as possible defensemen to sign, though remarked at the significant inhouse depth.

What Cullen said reading between the lines is that with minor adjustment we are close to being a contender capable of going deep into the playoffs.
If the team doesn't add any centers, Jochen Hecht will be the team's 2nd line center. Brad Boyes and Tyler Ennis would only play there in case of injury. Add to that most everyone acknowledges that the Sabres are weak at center and overloaded in young defenseman and top 6 wingers, and it's clear that any offseason plan that involves Boyes or Ennis playing center is worthy of scorn.

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I think the comments are unnecessarily harsh. Consider the following

3. He suggested either Boyes or ENNIS might be given a look at center. He didn't state Boyes fell off after moving into the middle, only that he played there more so that he did with the Blues. He suggests Brooks Laich as another option if we look to free agency.

4. Alongside Hejda he also mentions ED JOVANOWSKI, SCOTT HANNAN or ERIC BREWER as possible defensemen to sign, though remarked at the significant inhouse depth.

What Cullen said reading between the lines is that with minor adjustment we are close to being a contender capable of going deep into the playoffs.
Guess you missed the part at the end where he gave a link to what he foresaw the roster looking like - Boyes and Hejda are spelled out:

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Check out a possible roster, on www.capgeek.com, for next season, with some minor additions here: http://*******/k4XirA

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Hejda @ 3.5 million

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Guess you missed the part at the end where he gave a link to what he foresaw the roster looking like - Boyes and Hejda are spelled out:
If they pay $3.5m for Hejda, then I'm gonna

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I wouldn't say we are deep on the wing.

At LW, behind Vanek, Ennis and Gerbe we have Foligno, whilst at RW we are slightly deeper but after Stafford, Boyes and Pominville, we are a little light.

I agree about defense though and think if we moved Sekera and Butler for a Center we would be in a better position as I think Gragnani and Weber are locks for the Sabres and it would surprise me if Brennan and Schiestel get very long looks.

The issue is, would any team trade us a Center who would represent an upgrade over Connolly or Hecht. After Richards the No1 FA Center is Brooks Laich

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I wouldn't say we are deep on the wing.

At LW, behind Vanek, Ennis and Gerbe we have Foligno, whilst at RW we are slightly deeper but after Stafford, Boyes and Pominville, we are a little light.

I agree about defense though and think if we moved Sekera and Butler for a Center we would be in a better position as I think Gragnani and Weber are locks for the Sabres and it would surprise me if Brennan and Schiestel get very long looks.

The issue is, would any team trade us a Center who would represent an upgrade over Connolly or Hecht. After Richards the No1 FA Center is Brooks Laich
I don't know how deep you think is deep. The players you listed are enough to fill 3 good scoring lines worth of wings with room to spare.

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I wouldn't say we are deep on the wing.

At LW, behind Vanek, Ennis and Gerbe we have Foligno, whilst at RW we are slightly deeper but after Stafford, Boyes and Pominville, we are a little light.

I agree about defense though and think if we moved Sekera and Butler for a Center we would be in a better position as I think Gragnani and Weber are locks for the Sabres and it would surprise me if Brennan and Schiestel get very long looks.

The issue is, would any team trade us a Center who would represent an upgrade over Connolly or Hecht. After Richards the No1 FA Center is Brooks Laich
Well, there's a difference between prospect depth, roster depth and organizational depth. On paper the Sabres are one of the deepest teams on the wings. On the other hand, they lack high-end skill in their prospect pool which is more important for the future. Organizational depth is somewhere between, with it being a small issue right now since all of their wingers (other than Hecht) are relatively young.

If you have a choice to play Gerbe on the 4th, then you know you have depth on the sides. If you have a choice to play Boyes on the 3rd line (who despite his playoffs is still a serviceable 2nd line winger), then you're deep.

As for prospect depth, with three of the four top-six wingers locked up to long contracts and Ennis not likely to go anywhere anytime soon, they could have their top 6 already set for a few years. I'd argue, if Stafford doesn't fall to his 09-10 form there will be enough scoring on the wings. Which means what they need most on the wings for the near future is toughness combined with some skill on the bottom lines, which they certainly have in Kassian, Foligno and Tropp. Tough guys and enforcers can be signed for cheap with Kaleta and McCormick already being good fits for the 4th line.

For next season it could be as good as:
LW: Vanek, Ennis, Hecht, Gerbe, McCormick
RW: Pominville, Stafford, Boyes, Kaleta

In two seasons it could be as good as:
LW: Vanek, Ennis, Gerbe, Foligno, (Adam), (Hecht), (McCormick)
RW: Pominville, Stafford, Kassian, Kaleta, Tropp

That's imo more than good enough depth for right now and in the near future. Everything beyond that can be addressed through the draft.

As for Laich, there are more suitable options out there on the trade market imo, that doesn't involve overpaying an UFA and playing him on a position he isn't very comfortable with. I doubt he's a better option on center than Connolly.


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Brooks Laich is a LW who masquerades at center by need in DC. It's Hecht 2.0. Leave him on the wing, leave him to his strength.

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