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06-08-2011, 09:49 AM
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This was brought up on the main trade rumor board, but how about a deal like this to get Jordan Staal to Buffalo?

To Buffalo:

C- Jordan Staal

To Pittsburgh:

RW- Brad Boyes
2011 1st Round Pick
2012 1st Round Pick

Buffalo gets a top-6 centerman, Pittsburgh gets a guy who can play in their top-6 immediately and has a contract that expires after this season so they can decide if they want to keep him after this year. Two first round picks to replenish the forward ranks in the minors.

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06-08-2011, 09:56 AM
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Another trade Staal thread.

I wouldn't do it because Staal is better than Boyes (overall) and a lot younger too. Two 1st rounders are nice, but we're in win now mode.

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06-08-2011, 10:00 AM
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I know these trades are just based on what other fans want to see, but Jordan Staal is not leaving Pittsburgh, he's important to our team, he was Shero's first 1st round pick in his career as Pens GM. There is a reason we picked him over guys like Toews and Kessel, because we needed a defenseive 3rd line center and we already had Crosby and Malkin drafted. If we trade Staal for a scoring winger we would lose our "big 3." No deal.

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Any trade for Staal needs to have a high impact player coming back the other way for us, unless he really does something to hurt his value. I really like Brad Boyes but he's lost a lot of his luster, but those two first round picks really do make it pretty enticing.

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06-08-2011, 10:11 AM
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Rebuilding teams need 1st rounders... not the Pens.

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06-08-2011, 10:12 AM
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If Staal is going to the Sabres, Ennis or Stafford + has to be coming back..

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06-08-2011, 10:21 AM
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I understand the desire for a high impact player, but at the same tome any offers for those type of players seem to be either too young and developing (i.e. Kassian, Adam) or too expensive (Pominville). A player like Ennis is probably the perfect medium, but any guys of that price and talent from any team (Couture, Skinner, and other ELC guys) are seen as too valuable by their teams, and hence trades aren't agreed by posters. But then again... We're just posters. Who knows what the actual GM's think

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06-08-2011, 10:25 AM
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Pass. Boyes is way too inconsistent to have him be the centerpiece of a trade for Staal. I like the Kulemin thread better.

Agree there are guys on that team I'd rather have than Boyes.

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06-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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How about swapping Boyes with Gerbe or Pominville? Although Gerbe and two firsts seems like a bit much Staal is a very good player

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06-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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It's not bad value, but like others have said, giving up an asset like Staal needs to bring someone back who can help the team substantially now. We've got a Cup contender already, so sacrificing a huge asset now to secure more futures isn't really necessary.

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06-08-2011, 10:42 AM
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It was this several years ago, I'd take this, but nowadays? All we get is two first rounders in the 20's.... like we already have.

I'll pass

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We our in contention for a Stanley Cup. Why would we trade one of our key assets for picks that might be several years away from becoming effective NHL players?

I would say throw Vanek in a trade deal but his contract would never fit in with the Pens.

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06-08-2011, 10:56 AM
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Turn Boyes into Kassian or Adam, and maybe we have a deal. Maybe....

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06-08-2011, 11:01 AM
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I would think about it with Gerbe and the 2 firsts, but not until we see about the health of Sid and Geno, so not now.

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06-08-2011, 11:36 AM
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Pens could have had Boyes for a 2nd last year, so why would they trade Staal for him now?

People fall in love w/ 1st rounders but IMO they have little worth to the Pens as they're prolly 2+ years away.

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06-08-2011, 12:40 PM
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Someone once did a statistical analysis of percentages of players even making the nhl, of becoming serviceable players, of becoming stars. The results were surprisingly ugly for the picks in the 20s and below. Staal is a bigger part of the success of this team than given credit. The Pens should be near or at the top of the list of cup favorites for the next few years. Absent a huge overpay no way Staal is moved. This deal a'int it.

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06-08-2011, 12:45 PM
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Yeah, no thanks. boyes fetched a 2nd and then 2 mid-late 1sts? Pretty bad.

we should have a staal proposals sticky for all these other fanbases.

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Also, why would you want Staal as a Buffalo fan? You desperatly need a number 1 centerman. Staal is not that yet, and may never be. He is a very, very good number 2, but you have Derek Roy.

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This was brought up on the main trade rumor board, but how about a deal like this to get Jordan Staal to Buffalo?

To Buffalo:

C- Jordan Staal

To Pittsburgh:

RW- Brad Boyes
2011 1st Round Pick
2012 1st Round Pick

Buffalo gets a top-6 centerman, Pittsburgh gets a guy who can play in their top-6 immediately and has a contract that expires after this season so they can decide if they want to keep him after this year. Two first round picks to replenish the forward ranks in the minors.
Naw Man

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06-08-2011, 01:47 PM
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Don't really think it matters what our point of view is....BUffalo would never offer that deal.

I'd want Ennis in a trade coming back for Staal. Pretty much no matter what.

There's a good chance that Ennis becomes next season's Giroux I think.

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06-08-2011, 02:52 PM
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I'd rather the Pens hung on to Jordan Staal. The offensive potential is still there to be tapped and I am confident he will do it, just not sure when. It's like a switch that needs to be flipped in his head to remind him that he's not just a 3rd liner.

If the Penguins are going to move a center, it will be Jeffrey or Letestu first.

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06-08-2011, 02:58 PM
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Staal is not being traded, no matter how much people want to think he is, he's staying unless there's some real clout behind the deal, I'm talking the likes of Brad Richards or someone of similar stature, which is unlikely to happen.

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06-08-2011, 03:02 PM
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Staal is not being traded, no matter how much people want to think he is, he's staying unless there's some real clout behind the deal, I'm talking the likes of Brad Richards or someone of similar stature, which is unlikely to happen.
The only way Brad Richards would be ok on the roster is if the coaching staff sees Malkin as a winger and then sees Jeffrey as the 3rd line center, as in:

Kunitz, Crosby, Malkin/Kennedy
Neal, Richards, Malkin/Kennedy
Cooke, Jeffrey, Johnson
Rupp, Letestu, Adams

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06-08-2011, 03:43 PM
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at this time next year. he'll be a year away from unrestricted free agency. if the 2 sides are far apart, i think we may have to settle for such a deal

with less then a year left on his contract, his trade value will go down

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06-08-2011, 03:50 PM
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at this time next year. he'll be a year away from unrestricted free agency. if the 2 sides are far apart, i think we may have to settle for such a deal

with less then a year left on his contract, his trade value will go down
I used to be concerned about this, but now two things have emerged:

1) There's a very good chance that with the next CBA, the UFA eligability will be extended by another couple of years or so

2) Guys like Jeff Carter, Bobby Ryan and Ryan Kesler signed their deals. Signing Staal to a long-term deal for around that number (i.e. a 6 to 8 year deal worth between $5 and $5.5 million) seems very fair & reasonable for both sides.

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