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06-07-2011, 10:40 AM
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Sam Gagner

Edmonton wants another 1st round pick in the top 10. Maybe even in the top 20. What do you all think he is worth?

Would Gagner alone get Edmonton Dallas' 14th overall?
Would Gagner and our 31st overall get Edm the Islander's 5th?
Or how about Gagner, 19th overall and Calgarys 3rd (70ish) for Florida's 3rd?

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06-07-2011, 10:46 AM
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As an Oiler fan, I don't think you trade him at the moment. He's the closest thing to a #1 C that we have at the moment. Draft Hopkins and let him develop. The Oilers rushed Gags into the NHL and I don't want them to rush Hopkins in.

Once we have RNH ready to take over the then you think about trading Gagner.

We have enough picks this year.

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06-07-2011, 11:59 AM
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So we trade Gagner, who has been developing with the Oilers, albeit not as well as some would like, for a new prospect who may or may not make the NHL at all. Gagner may not look like the #1 centre that some were hoping when we drafted him at #6, but he still has room to grow and be a solid contributor in the top 6. I'd rather hold onto him and see how much he can grow than take another shot at a prospect developing.

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06-07-2011, 12:03 PM
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Agreed. Sam Gagner should only be traded if we can package a deal for a top line center or sign Brad Richards, neither of which are probably in the plans of our management or realistic in any universe.

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06-07-2011, 12:05 PM
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I can justify packaging Gagner if we trade up to get:

Couturier
Zibanejad
McNeill

Only those three guys. (Assuming we draft RNH 1st)

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06-07-2011, 12:23 PM
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Sooner or later the Oilers will have to stop trading 21 year olds for draft picks.

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06-07-2011, 12:24 PM
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Sooner or later the Oilers will have to stop trading 21 year olds for draft picks.
Sounds like you're implying these 21 year olds are worth keeping.

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06-07-2011, 12:42 PM
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Isles have little to no interest in Gagner unless maybe Bailey goes the other way...but unlike most Isles posters I do not see management giving up on him. To me he still holds 2nd line playmaking two-way center potential.

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06-07-2011, 12:53 PM
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Sounds like you're implying these 21 year olds are worth keeping.
I'd rather keep Gagner than trade him for a draft pick in a weak draft. Its a vicious circle

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06-07-2011, 01:23 PM
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not a good idea, at least for this year

hemsky is the only roster player we should be shopping because wingers are our only deep position in the oilers roster

to cbj hemsky to edm 8 (great setup man to complete Johansen+Nash)

to nyi 8+19 to edm 5+35 (only works if nyi is looking to draft defence with their top pick)

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06-07-2011, 01:24 PM
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gagner isnt a cup or playoff piece. no team would give up a pick lower then 20 for him. package deal and maybe. defensively a serious liability

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06-07-2011, 01:52 PM
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Edmonton wants another 1st round pick in the top 10. Maybe even in the top 20. What do you all think he is worth?

Would Gagner alone get Edmonton Dallas' 14th overall?
Would Gagner and our 31st overall get Edm the Islander's 5th?
Or how about Gagner, 19th overall and Calgarys 3rd (70ish) for Florida's 3rd?

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Under-value much? Gagner is a 21 year old player that struggled a little, mostly, imo, because of the situation he was forced into with playing so young on such a poor team. At very least I think he'll be a good 2nd line center and possibly a 1st or very good 2nd. Much too early to be giving up on him and especially for some unknown low picks......
Give me a top 5 and I may consider it....but I'm certainly not adding anything. Best case scenario, let him develop for another 2 years and see what we have. That will give time for the 'next generation' if he doesn't pan out.

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06-07-2011, 03:19 PM
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Sounds like you're implying these 21 year olds are worth keeping.
Jordan Eberle at 20 years old: 69 games- 18 goals and 43 points
Sam Gagner(8 months older): 68 games- 15 goals and 42 points

Stats don't tell the whole story and Eberle is the better player but I think Oilers fans are too tough on Gagner. He's a 1st line center on the worst team in the league at 21 years old. He should be able to be a good 2nd line center on a playoff team when he's 25. Keep him until something better comes along...and that something isn't Anton Lander or Tyler Pitlick.

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06-07-2011, 03:31 PM
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Why trade him for a pick?

Gagner is 21, under a cheap contract, has put up better than 40 points a season for 4 seasons. 0.6ppg.

Outside of his first season, Gagner hasn't been sheltered, and it shows in the stats. That said, he appears to be a capable 2nd liner at 21. Put him between Pajaarvi and Omark next season (with Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky playing the difficult lines) and his stats would likely jump.

Sell low, though?

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06-07-2011, 03:34 PM
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A long time ago the term "puck hog" was coined. Today, I shall deem the Oilers "pick hogs" !

Just be happy with the **** ton of quality players and gimme picks you got

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06-07-2011, 03:35 PM
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Why trade him for a pick?

Gagner is 21, under a cheap contract, has put up better than 40 points a season for 4 seasons. 0.6ppg.

Outside of his first season, Gagner hasn't been sheltered, and it shows in the stats. That said, he appears to be a capable 2nd liner at 21. Put him between Pajaarvi and Omark next season (with Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky playing the difficult lines) and his stats would likely jump.

Sell low, though?
You forgot Eberle?

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06-07-2011, 03:46 PM
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You forgot Eberle?
obviously we trade that old mother ****er off for some 1st round pick how can one have a cup winning team built of old players it just doesnt work


gagner's 21 let him be for a few more yrs see what he is if someone wants to overpay then good hes gone if no one wants him he stays and puts up minimum of 40 points that have slowly looked to be getting better in the past couple of yrs

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You forgot Eberle?
Third line with Jones and Cogliano...add in extra special teams ice time. Or just wait until Hemsky gets hurt and throw him back up on the 1st line

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You forgot Eberle?
I still think that Alan M's trade rumor about Hemsky will come to fruition. I've been reading Lowetide for a long, long time, and I don't recall the last time he's posted a rumor, much less one that makes as much sense...

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makes no sense to trade him. If he was traded, he'd definitely find a home for an early second round pick. How's this?

to Edm:
Rd #2 pick (39 overall)
RW Antropov
D Oduya

to Wpg:
C Gagner
D Souray

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06-07-2011, 04:06 PM
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Would Gagner and our 31st overall get Edm the Islander's 5th?

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No.Not to get into the 50th Gagner pissing thread debate,but Snow indicated last draft that he wants a young potential stud, if he's passing up drafting a young potential stud.

Gagner+ early 2nd doesn't equal a young potential stud.

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not a good idea, at least for this year

hemsky is the only roster player we should be shopping because wingers are our only deep position in the oilers roster

to cbj hemsky to edm 8 (great setup man to complete Johansen+Nash)

to nyi 8+19 to edm 5+35 (only works if nyi is looking to draft defence with their top pick)
With scouts saying there is a big drop off in talent after the top 8 and picks 20-50 are interchangable,I don't want Snow getting cute.Just take the prospect who's at the top of the NYI wishlist,who's still available at #5.

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I still think that Alan M's trade rumor about Hemsky will come to fruition. I've been reading Lowetide for a long, long time, and I don't recall the last time he's posted a rumor, much less one that makes as much sense...
If you don't mind me asking, what was the trade rumor?

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If you don't mind me asking, what was the trade rumor?
From here: Lowetide - see the comments...

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I've heard the rumor as Hemsky, Cogliano, 5th rder to NJD for Rolston, White and 4th overall.

Rolston and White are toast, so it's 83, 13 for #4OV.
It's odd, as he's not known for rumors. That said, if NJ drafted 4th overall, if they wanted to sign the player, they'd be looking at $3.1 m/yr cap hit (e.g. Evander Kane in 2009.) Given their desire to sign Parise, not a great idea.

Hemsky gives them a great player at a cheap cap hit (4.1m.) Cogliano a cheap RFA. Assuming Cogliano signs around 1.2m, NJD clears 2.7m in cap, and can use that (plus the cap space that would be consumed from the #4 pick) to keep Parise.

Kovalchuk's prime years are burning, best to get him players to play with, and manage the cap.

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