HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Nabokov??

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-01-2011, 10:25 PM
  #1
PHILLYFLYERS21
Registered User
 
PHILLYFLYERS21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PHILLY
Posts: 54
vCash: 500
Nabokov??

does anyone think he is the answer.. because i'm not sure he is but i would mind having a russian veteran in goal for cheap to help out bob.. And also what do you think we would ship to the islanders to aquire Nabokov??

PHILLYFLYERS21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:33 PM
  #2
RIPRichardsCarter
Registered User
 
RIPRichardsCarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,954
vCash: 500
He turned us down once, whats to stop him from doing it again?

RIPRichardsCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:36 PM
  #3
PHILLYFLYERS21
Registered User
 
PHILLYFLYERS21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PHILLY
Posts: 54
vCash: 500
that was when he thought he could go whereever and get 5 mill now hes making 500,000 and made it clear he doesnt wanna play on long island so why not here his options otherwise are slim

PHILLYFLYERS21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:39 PM
  #4
KimiFerrari
Messi Is God
 
KimiFerrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Montreal, Qc
Country: Argentina
Posts: 3,818
vCash: 500
He still might have a NTC and if he does, then he will be able to hand pick whatever team we wants to get shipped off to. I have a feeling he might not want to come to Philly, but we really don't know what low-ball offer Homer made to him last time around.

KimiFerrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:39 PM
  #5
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 40,713
vCash: 500
"The Islanders can't trade him unless they expose him to waivers first, where he would almost surely get claimed by another club, whether it be the Detroit Red Wings, the team that originally signed him to a contract on Friday, or another team looking for a veteran goaltender for what amounts to a bargain in the salary cap era. "

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/ev...-to-islanders/

However, this is the offseason. There aren't waivers, sooooo I don't know what his status is.

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:43 PM
  #6
PHILLYFLYERS21
Registered User
 
PHILLYFLYERS21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PHILLY
Posts: 54
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
"The Islanders can't trade him unless they expose him to waivers first, where he would almost surely get claimed by another club, whether it be the Detroit Red Wings, the team that originally signed him to a contract on Friday, or another team looking for a veteran goaltender for what amounts to a bargain in the salary cap era. "

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/ev...-to-islanders/

However, this is the offseason. There aren't waivers, sooooo I don't know what his status is.
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free

PHILLYFLYERS21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:47 PM
  #7
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 40,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 View Post
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free
Waivers aren't an issue in the offseason (as far as I remember), but the fact that he never reported to the Islanders could be. He isn't an NHL player, technically. I don't know that it's impossible for them to trade him, but I don't know if it's that simple either. It might be completely possible for him to just not report here, and take a bigger contract in the KHL at the end of the day.

I'm sure some CBA expert here has a better idea.

Beef Invictus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:49 PM
  #8
PHILLYFLYERS21
Registered User
 
PHILLYFLYERS21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PHILLY
Posts: 54
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
Waivers aren't an issue in the offseason (as far as I remember), but the fact that he never reported to the Islanders could be. He isn't an NHL player, technically. I don't know that it's impossible for them to trade him, but I don't know if it's that simple either. It might be completely possible for him to just not report here, and take a bigger contract in the KHL at the end of the day.
I doubt he heads back to the KHL again but we'll see i guess i wouldn't mind him in orange n black he has a much better track record then everything else we could throw out there..

PHILLYFLYERS21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:51 PM
  #9
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 40,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 View Post
I doubt he heads back to the KHL again but we'll see i guess i wouldn't mind him in orange n black he has a much better track record then everything else we could throw out there..
At half price, I wouldnt mind him either. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. All technicalities aside, I'm also not convinced that NYI is eager to give us a starting goalie.

Beef Invictus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:55 PM
  #10
PHILLYFLYERS21
Registered User
 
PHILLYFLYERS21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PHILLY
Posts: 54
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
At half price, I wouldnt mind him either. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. All technicalities aside, I'm also not convinced that NYI is eager to give us a starting goalie.
Yeah but garth is an idiot so i wold not be shocked if we stole a starting goalie from them

PHILLYFLYERS21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:56 PM
  #11
Ghost of Downie*
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,959
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
"The Islanders can't trade him unless they expose him to waivers first, where he would almost surely get claimed by another club, whether it be the Detroit Red Wings, the team that originally signed him to a contract on Friday, or another team looking for a veteran goaltender for what amounts to a bargain in the salary cap era. "

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/ev...-to-islanders/

However, this is the offseason. There aren't waivers, sooooo I don't know what his status is.
I'm pretty sure he can be traded without being exposed to waivers. My understanding is that it's just through the current season that the Islanders wouldn't have been able to trade him without putting him on waivers.

EDIT: That being said, I don't think he's the answer in net. He put up less than spectacular numbers in the KHL and has played four competitive games since them. Just doesn't seem like the guy we want to platoon with Bob.

Ghost of Downie* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 10:58 PM
  #12
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 40,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost of Downie View Post
I'm pretty sure he can be traded without being exposed to waivers. My understanding is that it's just through the current season that the Islanders wouldn't have been able to trade him without putting him on waivers.
Yeah, I suspected as much. I just don't know for sure, since he's made a unique situation for himself

Beef Invictus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 11:01 PM
  #13
Ghost of Downie*
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,959
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
Yeah, I suspected as much. I just don't know for sure, since he's made a unique situation for himself
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how the tolling of the contract affects it, but I'm pretty sure that would be the case if he had, for example, a two-year deal.

Ghost of Downie* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-01-2011, 11:16 PM
  #14
Coppy
Good Luck Richie!
 
Coppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 930
vCash: 500
Tbh, should only be explored if the Flyers strike out on Bryz and Vokoun, and are getting held up by other teams in any possible trades.

He acted childish by just not sucking it up and playing out his year with the Islanders. He was bad in the KHL. He was bad in the Olympics. And his recent playoff performances aren't exactly noteworthy:

2007-08 .907 2.18
2008-09 .890 2.82
2009-10 .907 2.56

Actually, he seems like exactly the type of cheap solution the organization will turn to to say problem solved, only to have it bite them late in the season or in the playoffs.

Coppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 01:22 AM
  #15
Philadelphia Ducks
#BringBackBob
 
Philadelphia Ducks's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Ontario, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,687
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 View Post
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free
Shipping out Carter will leave a pretty big hole in our scoring offense, it would be very unwise to dump carter to sign a goalie when there are so many more deserving people to get traded in his stead.

Philadelphia Ducks is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 02:00 AM
  #16
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 14,005
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coppy View Post
Tbh, should only be explored if the Flyers strike out on Bryz and Vokoun, and are getting held up by other teams in any possible trades.

He acted childish by just not sucking it up and playing out his year with the Islanders. He was bad in the KHL. He was bad in the Olympics. And his recent playoff performances aren't exactly noteworthy:

2007-08 .907 2.18
2008-09 .890 2.82
2009-10 .907 2.56

Actually, he seems like exactly the type of cheap solution the organization will turn to to say problem solved, only to have it bite them late in the season or in the playoffs.
1999-00: 11 GP - 2.17 GAA - 0.910 SV% (1 GP - 0.00 GAA - 1.000 SV%)
2000-01: 66 GP - 2.19 GAA - 0.915 SV% (4 GP - 2.75 GAA - 0.903 SV%)
2001-02: 67 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.918 SV% (12 GP - 2.61 GAA - 0.904 SV%)
2002-03: 55 GP - 2.72 GAA - 0.906 SV% (N/A)
2003-04: 59 GP - 2.20 GAA - 0.921 SV% (17 GA - 1.71 GAA - 0.935 SV%)
2005-06: 45 GP - 3.10 GAA - 0.885 SV% (1 GP - 5.00 GAA - 0.750 SV%)
2006 OLY: 6 GP - 1.34 GAA - 0.940 SV%
2006-07: 50 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.914 SV% (11 GP - 2.23 GAA - 0.920 SV%)
2007-08: 77 GP - 2.14 GAA - 0.910 SV% (13 GP - 2.18 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2008 WCS: 5 GP - 1.78 GAA - 0.929 SV%
2008-09: 62 GP - 2.44 GAA - 0.910 SV% (6 GP - 2.82 GAA - 0.890 SV%)
2009-10: 71 GP - 2.43 GAA - 0.922 SV% (15 GP - 2.56 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2010 OLY: 3 GP - 4.16 GAA - 0.853 SV%
2011 WCS: 4 GP - 3.60 GAA - 0.880 SV%

That, at less than the price of Boucher, is pretty damn tempting.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 02:03 AM
  #17
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
There are a lot of moving parts with Nabokov.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 02:29 AM
  #18
Ghost of Downie*
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,959
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
1999-00: 11 GP - 2.17 GAA - 0.910 SV% (1 GP - 0.00 GAA - 1.000 SV%)
2000-01: 66 GP - 2.19 GAA - 0.915 SV% (4 GP - 2.75 GAA - 0.903 SV%)
2001-02: 67 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.918 SV% (12 GP - 2.61 GAA - 0.904 SV%)
2002-03: 55 GP - 2.72 GAA - 0.906 SV% (N/A)
2003-04: 59 GP - 2.20 GAA - 0.921 SV% (17 GA - 1.71 GAA - 0.935 SV%)
2005-06: 45 GP - 3.10 GAA - 0.885 SV% (1 GP - 5.00 GAA - 0.750 SV%)
2006 OLY: 6 GP - 1.34 GAA - 0.940 SV%
2006-07: 50 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.914 SV% (11 GP - 2.23 GAA - 0.920 SV%)
2007-08: 77 GP - 2.14 GAA - 0.910 SV% (13 GP - 2.18 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2008 WCS: 5 GP - 1.78 GAA - 0.929 SV%
2008-09: 62 GP - 2.44 GAA - 0.910 SV% (6 GP - 2.82 GAA - 0.890 SV%)
2009-10: 71 GP - 2.43 GAA - 0.922 SV% (15 GP - 2.56 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2010 OLY: 3 GP - 4.16 GAA - 0.853 SV%
2011 WCS: 4 GP - 3.60 GAA - 0.880 SV%

That, at less than the price of Boucher, is pretty damn tempting.
2010-11 KHL: 22 GP - 3.02 GAA - 0.888 SV%

That is also a little scary to me, combined with the fact that, outside of 4 games in the WCS where he was subpar, he hasn't played professional hockey since December 13. If we miss out on Vokoun and Bryzgalov, by all means, look into a trade for Nabby. He has major questions though to go along with his cheap contract.

Ghost of Downie* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 08:06 AM
  #19
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,085
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 View Post
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free
If they ship out Carter to sign vokoun or bryzgalov, it will be one of the dumbest moves homer makes, when he could simply get rid of a worse contract like versteeg or carle. Carter is on a great contract and a contending team doesn't trade Jeff Carter away for cap space. This sentiment around here is just retarded. There's no point in signing a veteran goaltender if you're trading away one of the most important pieces of your core

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 08:26 AM
  #20
Spongolium*
Potato Magician
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bridgend,UK
Country: Wales
Posts: 8,653
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester View Post
There are a lot of moving parts with Nabokov.
Generally arm's, legs, the head, maybe fingers i should hope

Spongolium* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 08:36 AM
  #21
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spongolium View Post
Generally arm's, legs, the head, maybe fingers i should hope
Also contractual problems potentially, and the really bad approach he had to last year mentally.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 11:48 AM
  #22
phillyfanatic
Registered User
 
phillyfanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ottawa, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,631
vCash: 500
MY understanding (take it for what it is worth) is, Nabokov is currently suspended from the Isles and therefore he owes them a year before he is a UFA again. So, he has to report and they have to un-suspend him before he can play in the NHL again, he is 100% their property. Since last year is over, Detroit is over. He was claimed on waivers in 2010 and in 2011 that is null and void, my understanding is Detroit is completely out of the equation.

So, he doesn't want to play for the Isles and they don't want him. So, he will likely be unsuspended and traded for assets this offseason. Since he is signed for 1 year at 570,000, he is an interesting option to me (We could keep Carter et all, re-sign Leino, Nodl, Powe and still take a run a free agent. Since he is signed for 1 year Bob has the chance to prove all wrong and steal the job next year or prove to be the answer 2 years from now. Plus, Bob gets his interpreter and a Russian in the dressing room.



Anyway, it is intriguing.

Likeup with Nabokov is sick:
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.200m) / Darroll Powe ($0.800m)
Blair Betts ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

phillyfanatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 11:58 AM
  #23
phillyfanatic
Registered User
 
phillyfanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ottawa, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,631
vCash: 500
Here is the latest facts:

Evgeni Nabokov plans to attend training camp for the New York Islanders, according to his agent Don Meehan.Nabokov was claimed off waivers back in January, but he never reported to the team and was subsequently suspended. The Islanders said in late April that they would toll his contract and retain his rights for the 2011-12 campaign. Nabokov sustained a groin injury at the World Championships, but Meehan said it's "nothing serious." It will be interesting to see if New York gives him a chance to crack their roster or if they look to deal him elsewhere.

The Islanders have decided to toll Evgeni Nabokov's contract, which means the Islanders own his rights for the 2011-12 season.Nabokov comes with a very affordable $570,000 cap hit. The only reason the Islanders can do this is because Nabokov was claimed off waivers by them and then refused to play. Had Nabokov served as a goaltender with the Islanders for the balance of the 2010-11 campaign, he would have entered the summer as a free agent. The silver lining for Nabokov, assuming he still doesn't want to play for the Islanders, is that the team will be able to trade him this summer. The Islanders were not able to easily move him in 2010-11 because of the CBA rules, but that shouldn't be an issue once his contract is tolled. In the meantime, Nabokov has been given permission to play in the 2011 World Championship.

phillyfanatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 12:05 PM
  #24
KimiFerrari
Messi Is God
 
KimiFerrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Montreal, Qc
Country: Argentina
Posts: 3,818
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillyfanatic View Post
Here is the latest facts:

Evgeni Nabokov plans to attend training camp for the New York Islanders, according to his agent Don Meehan.Nabokov was claimed off waivers back in January, but he never reported to the team and was subsequently suspended. The Islanders said in late April that they would toll his contract and retain his rights for the 2011-12 campaign. Nabokov sustained a groin injury at the World Championships, but Meehan said it's "nothing serious." It will be interesting to see if New York gives him a chance to crack their roster or if they look to deal him elsewhere.

The Islanders have decided to toll Evgeni Nabokov's contract, which means the Islanders own his rights for the 2011-12 season.Nabokov comes with a very affordable $570,000 cap hit. The only reason the Islanders can do this is because Nabokov was claimed off waivers by them and then refused to play. Had Nabokov served as a goaltender with the Islanders for the balance of the 2010-11 campaign, he would have entered the summer as a free agent. The silver lining for Nabokov, assuming he still doesn't want to play for the Islanders, is that the team will be able to trade him this summer. The Islanders were not able to easily move him in 2010-11 because of the CBA rules, but that shouldn't be an issue once his contract is tolled. In the meantime, Nabokov has been given permission to play in the 2011 World Championship.
Yes they can trade him because he no longer needs to clear waivers, but considering it is the same contract from last year, then Nabokov should technically still have his NTC. (Not sure on this)

I don't think Nabokov wants to stay on the Isle, but I wouldn't doubt him trying to hold out until he can go to Detroit or one of his other preferred destinations.

KimiFerrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-02-2011, 12:16 PM
  #25
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 14,005
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimiFerrari View Post
Yes they can trade him because he no longer needs to clear waivers, but considering it is the same contract from last year, then Nabokov should technically still have his NTC. (Not sure on this)

I don't think Nabokov wants to stay on the Isle, but I wouldn't doubt him trying to hold out until he can go to Detroit or one of his other preferred destinations.
Nabby has an NMC according to Capgeek.

So yeah.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:25 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.