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06-07-2011, 06:42 PM
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TNSE has no option but to call team Winnipeg Jets (The Name Thread)

Otherwise the NHL's whole media and PR strategy is ruined:


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Just stick a Jets logo on there and you're good to go.

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there are several problems depending on who you talk to due to phoenix and the problems they have had---while it is rumoured the NHL owns the rights--if they call them the jets former creditors could come knocking. If I can find it I will post it--but some creditors previously received less then full pay back on debts and some are reportedly waiting to see what the team does. The last peg owners left the team with a pile of confusing paper work that took the nhl awhile to figure out. At one point in time it was suggested the previous owners added some debt to the team that belonged to their non-hockey enterprises. So calling them the jets is not cut and dry

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They have an option. It's just not a very good option.

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there are several problems depending on who you talk to due to phoenix and the problems they have had---while it is rumoured the NHL owns the rights--if they call them the jets former creditors could come knocking. If I can find it I will post it--but some creditors previously received less then full pay back on debts and some are reportedly waiting to see what the team does. The last peg owners left the team with a pile of confusing paper work that took the nhl awhile to figure out. At one point in time it was suggested the previous owners added some debt to the team that belonged to their non-hockey enterprises. So calling them the jets is not cut and dry

This is the first I've heard of this.

I'd be really interested in that link if you find it.

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Falcon could work too with that design.

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It's extremely unlikely that any debts would be recoverable after 15 years and, even if they were, they would be the responsibility either of the Phoenix Coyotes or of the former owners of the Jets (depending on which obligations were picked up by the new owners under the agreement of purchase and sale in 1995/6 and which were not). There is no chance whatsoever that giving your team a nickname that once belonged to another organization would result in your assuming the debts of that other organization.


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if they call them the jets former creditors could come knocking.
Interesting concept. I think I will legally change my name to Donald Trump, and wait for the millions to start flowing into my bank account.

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I dont think they are going to call them the Jets
if they wanted to do that, they would have the day of the announcement

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I dont think they are going to call them the Jets
if they wanted to do that, they would have the day of the announcement

On the contrary... I believe True North had a name, logo, and jersey all ready to go. They are way to organized not to. I think the 10's of thousands of people that have been to various rallys at portage and main, the forks, and the buzz in the papers and on the internet, all about the jets, has caused them to reconsider. They went back to the drawing board, and thats why they still don't have a logo or jersey ready, maybe not even in time for the draft.

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I dont think they are going to call them the Jets
if they wanted to do that, they would have the day of the announcement
Or could it be that they now have to change their marketing scheme. Another poster from Winnipeg in a thread in the Atlanta site commented on the length of time required to rework all the merchandise etc. to a new brand. Perhaps the delay is a result of TSNE having to redo all the marketing that was already established.

I have no inside info on this, just an opinion...

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I dont think they are going to call them the Jets
if they wanted to do that, they would have the day of the announcement
I disagree. I believe they originally intended to keep the moose name as back up by

http://www.nesn.com/2011/03/report-i...-not-jets.html

and

http://www.****************/blog/2011...ot-jets-in-12/

however i theorize the explosion in support for the jets name has them second guessing which road to go and thats the current hold up.

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On the contrary... I believe True North had a name, logo, and jersey all ready to go. They are way to organized not to. I think the 10's of thousands of people that have been to various rallys at portage and main, the forks, and the buzz in the papers and on the internet, all about the jets, has caused them to reconsider. They went back to the drawing board, and thats why they still don't have a logo or jersey ready, maybe not even in time for the draft.
Yes this

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Or could it be that they now have to change their marketing scheme. Another poster from Winnipeg in a thread in the Atlanta site commented on the length of time required to rework all the merchandise etc. to a new brand. Perhaps the delay is a result of TSNE having to redo all the marketing that was already established.

I have no inside info on this, just an opinion...
Interesting point.... But I don't think that the rallies have forced TNSE to reconsider. Why not come out right away with the new name?

Jets is the only thing we people from Winnipeg know, so it is a no brainer that they would call the NHL returning here the Jets.

Personally, I think it's a new team, new beginning....call them something new.

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06-07-2011, 11:21 PM
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Interesting point.... But I don't think that the rallies have forced TNSE to reconsider. Why not come out right away with the new name?

Jets is the only thing we people from Winnipeg know, so it is a no brainer that they would call the NHL returning here the Jets.

Personally, I think it's a new team, new beginning....call them something new.
I don't disagree with your thoughts. I only was pointing out that if TSNE had originally wanted a different name other than the Jets, it will take time to get their merchandise in order. I would be shocked that after methodically going about their business that they would do a 180 on the name without having sweaters available for purchase by the fans.

Again, just an opinion.

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I don't think it really will be that big a deal to rename the team.

I mean, if it was the Phoenix Coyotes coming back, but this is a different franchise.

I say go with the Falcons. It actually HAS history and relevance to the city of Winnipeg.

The "Jets" was the name because the original owner's name was Ben and the Elton John song Benny and the Jets was popular at the time...

At least that's the folklore round here...

The Falcons were an amateur team that competed for and won the international title before the Winter Olympics.

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The "Jets" was the name because the original owner's name was Ben and the Elton John song Benny and the Jets was popular at the time...

At least that's the folklore round here...


Ben Hatskin named the junior team the Jets after his favorite NFL team, the New York Jets. When the WHA was formed he carried the name over to the new team.

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Interesting point.... But I don't think that the rallies have forced TNSE to reconsider. Why not come out right away with the new name?
Well noone's forcing them, but I do think it's quite likely the sheer outpouring of love for the Jets name has taken them somewhat by surprise. If they're listening to that community sentiment, this is a good sign - it means the franchise is in much better hands than it was in Georgia.

I suspect dobiezeke is on the money that the delay is caused by TNSE waiting for a hastily organised graphic design job. They've probably sat down and said, "Well, gee, better call them the Jets, eh? better have a Draft hat & a logo ready for that #7 pick". Exact sweater designs (and of course a 3rd) can come a little later, as can the merchandise, but I suspect they're furiously working on the logo & something for the new prospects to wear for the cameras on draft day.

They're not going to announce Manitoba Jets or Winnipeg Jets (with possible updated logo) without the logo. I suspect it'll be Manitoba, as the rumours have always been that this is the preferred name & it gives a fresh start to an old identity.

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I say go with the Falcons. It actually HAS history and relevance to the city of Winnipeg.
The Falcons donít really have much relevance to the city of Winnipeg. How many of you can honestly say that you knew that the team that won the 1920 Olympic Ice Hockey Gold Medal was called the Falcons before a few months ago when rumours began to circulate that True North might name a team after it? How many of you can tell what happened in 1921 to the Winnipeg Falcons? Now be honest . . .

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GO JETS GO!!

I've screamed that more in the last few weeks than in the last 15 years. And it will never, ever, get old.

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not that they need it, but with bog approval needed for the relocation and change of ownership, it would be another way of showing how the club can be sustainable in the long term. having a recognizable brand name that still sells considerable merchandise under the name 'winnipeg jets' can show that they have a product name that has legs.

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if they call them the jets former creditors could come knocking.
.... that literally makes zero sense whatsoever. The ownership group of the former Jets would be the ones that owe creditors money (or the organization that purchased the team and moved them to Phoenix), not someone else that comes along and creates a brand-new team.

Even if the old Jets owed a great deal of money, there'd be no way to stick the debt on the new Jets as they're two completely different organizations.

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Thanks for restarting this thread.

Bizarre that the other thread was closed. A discussion forum about hockey and a topic about one of the most relevant issues currently facing the new team, generating interesting and respectful debate...

and the thread was closed.

Anyway, I will reiterate what I said in the other thread. It would be plain stupid to go with any other name except the Jets.

As mentioned before, why choose a name like "Falcons" that has more than one possible pronunciation? Would be weirdly ironic that the only other team that perhaps more than one possible pronunciation is The Coyotes.

"Jets" is such a clean, classic-sounding name. It's got history. Sure, the Jets never got out of the second round of the playoffs, but that doesn't matter.

It's a no brainer for the new owners. If they choose a name other than the Jets, they will get off to a bad start with regard to fan relations.

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From an outsider looking in, I'm really hoping the "Jets" doesn't happen. I think it's time for a new start, new logo, new jerseys, new everything. I also think the Jets would be the worst name in the NHL. I'm sure others feel the Flyers is a stupid name, but it's just my opinion.

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