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06-07-2011, 09:14 PM
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What don't you want to give up?


Because that's what I'd want.

Have you been paying attention at all? Did you see what Halak returned, or Bryzgalov? Goaltenders do not return 40-goal scorers.
depends on what the other side is in need of, and Halak;s rights got a former 13th overall pick and 3rd round pick (Eller and Schultz)


as I said before the only reason Philly makes any trades is to make cap space for Bryz.

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06-07-2011, 09:16 PM
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Flyers need prospects, they dont have any. Also they can't afford to have a guy in 2-3 years needing a big raise.

My guess is that they do trade Hartnell, maybe for a B level prospect and a 2nd round pick.

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06-07-2011, 09:16 PM
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absolutely...but this thread is about Hartnell.

I would be happy to add Mezzaros to Mtl. But it's the same idea, a prospect like Kristo + rights to a cheap NHL dman or a 4th
Hartnell would only return a bad contract or nothing at all - Meszaros would return a decent 3rd liner/prospect.

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Now these are my opinions but:

Meszaros was awesome in the playoffs and is not going anywhere. (this one I would guarantee)

Hartnell won't waive his NTC nor will he even be asked.

Leino probably won't be re-signed.

One of Carle or Coburn are gone (probably Carle) for prospects/picks and salary relief. Carle has shown that he needs a guy like Pronger to be effective. Coburn is replacable but doesn't make as much money.
makes sense. But any moves are dependant of what cap space is needed for Bryz. I see Holmgren doing some magic with a front loaded contract so as to minimize the hit.

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06-07-2011, 09:18 PM
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I would offer a package around:

Pouliot
Desharnais
Pyatt
3rd round pick'11

for

Philadelphia

Leighton
Hartnell

There is 3mill in cap relief here for the Flyers. Pouliot and Desharnais could help make it easier to let Leino go the market. Desharnais could help fill in for the 3rd line along with Pouliot.

Van Riemsdyk(1.65) Briere(6.5) Giroux(3.75)
Carter(5) Richards(5.750) Versteeg(3.08)
Pouliot(1.3) Desharnais(750k) Laperriere(1.17)
Pyatt(500k) Betts(700k) Powe(725k)

Ex. Nodl(850k)

Timonen(6.33) Coburn(3.2)
Carle(3.44) Pronger(4.92)
Meszaros(4) Bartulis(600k)

Bryzgalov(6)
Bobrovsky(1.75)

Salary Cap - 63mill
Roster Cap - 61.97mill
Cap Space - 1.03mill

They could possibly find a cheap 3rd line winger as well on the market like Asham. They would still have cap left over.

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Now these are my opinions but:

Meszaros was awesome in the playoffs and is not going anywhere. (this one I would guarantee)

Hartnell won't waive his NTC nor will he even be asked.

Leino probably won't be re-signed.

One of Carle or Coburn are gone (probably Carle) for prospects/picks and salary relief. Carle has shown that he needs a guy like Pronger to be effective. Coburn is replacable but doesn't make as much money.
Carle had nearly 40 even strength assists this year with out Pronger for a lot of it. He is his own player, and a good one, though it certainly helps to pair him with someone who's skills lean more towards the defensive side of the game. I think Coburn makes like 250k less a year than Carle...so that's not a big factor in the decision making process as far as who to move.

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Hartnell would only return a bad contract or nothing at all - Meszaros would return a decent 3rd liner/prospect.
Montreal could offer to eat the entire contract if they took less than market value on Hartnell.

I agree that Mes will need more return to convince Holmgren to move him, but it's all about the cap right now to sign that top end goalie

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Hartnell has a ton of intangibles. Relatively high body fat, incredible hair and facial hair growth, glove-throwing skills...plus, he comes with a "Deez Nuts" t-shirt and not one but two full-size Deerhunter arcade games. No lie.

2 Subbans and a 7th.

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I would offer a package around:

Pouliot
Desharnais
Pyatt
3rd round pick'11

for

Philadelphia

Leighton
Hartnell

They could possibly find a cheap 3rd line winger as well on the market like Asham. They would still have cap left over.

Any chance you could take out Desharnais and make it a 2nd? It's probably close to fair as it is though. What's Puliot been doing lately, anything noteworthy?

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Flyers need prospects, they dont have any. Also they can't afford to have a guy in 2-3 years needing a big raise.

My guess is that they do trade Hartnell, maybe for a B level prospect and a 2nd round pick.
Kristo
2nd round pick'12

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06-07-2011, 09:22 PM
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Hartnell has a ton of intangibles. Relatively high body fat, incredible hair and facial hair growth, glove-throwing skills...plus, he comes with a "Deez Nuts" t-shirt and not one but two full-size Deerhunter arcade games. No lie.

2 Subbans and a 7th.
don't forget his own Fartsmell fan club!

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Hartnell would only return a bad contract or nothing at all - Meszaros would return a decent 3rd liner/prospect.
Meszaros, voted the team's best defenseman last year, would only return a 3rd liner? Huh?

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absolutely...but this thread is about Hartnell.

I would be happy to add Mezzaros to Mtl. But it's the same idea, a prospect like Kristo + rights to a cheap NHL dman or a 4th
This forum is for Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk, so why don't you do everyone a favor, step away from the keyboard, and get back to your career in NHL 11 where you can make any trade you want work.

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06-07-2011, 09:27 PM
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I would offer a package around:

Pouliot
Desharnais
Pyatt
3rd round pick'11

for

Philadelphia

Leighton
Hartnell
Sorry, but it would take at least 6 pieces of junk for the Flyers to trade Hartnell. You only have 4.

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Hartnell to Minnesota

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Greg Zanon, Johan Gustavsson, Casey Wellman


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Hartnell would only return a bad contract or nothing at all - .
ok Hartnell fo Gomez

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Off topic:

Hartnell to Minnesota

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Greg Zanon, Johan Gustavsson, Casey Wellman
Don't know muh about the other two, but Greg Zanon is a good defenseman. Are those guys prospects or? If noth, could you sub a pick for them?

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Don't know muh about the other two, but Greg Zanon is a good defenseman. Are those guys prospects or? If noth, could you sub a pick for them?
Gustavsson is a young goalie with NHL backup potential.

Wellman is a speedy potential 3rd line center with a so-so shot. Should be in the NHL next year.

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Hartnell has a ton of intangibles. Relatively high body fat, incredible hair and facial hair growth, glove-throwing skills...plus, he comes with a "Deez Nuts" t-shirt and not one but two full-size Deerhunter arcade games. No lie.

2 Subbans and a 7th.
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This is what i would offer.


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3rd round pick
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Hartnell

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What don't you want to give up?


Because that's what I'd want.

Have you been paying attention at all? Did you see what Halak returned, or Bryzgalov? Goaltenders do not return 40-goal scorers.
You mean a guy like Bryzgalov with a contract expiring in 1 month won't get you a 40-goal scorer?

WOW!

Price >> Carter

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You mean a guy like Bryzgalov with a contract expiring in 1 month won't get you a 40-goal scorer?

WOW!

Price >> Carter
Obviously

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This forum is for Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk, so why don't you do everyone a favor, step away from the keyboard, and get back to your career in NHL 11 where you can make any trade you want work.
Oh? geez sorry, I had no idea. Sorry to bother you Mr. Holmgren. Didn't mean to upset a professional hockey mind like yourself. Especially in such a difficult time such as this when you're in need of trading away cap space to make your other trade work. Again, so sorry to bother you.




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hartnell wont get subban...sorry flyers fans
Do not want him. He is yours.

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Do not want him. He is yours.
Crap, we are stuck with Subban!

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