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10-23-2011, 03:56 AM
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...you'd add Seattle? over even a 2nd GTA team?
Portland or Seattle over a third Ontario team, second Toronto area team? HELL YA! Buffalo is significantly invested in the non-Leafs southeastern Ontario hockey base.

I really hope the Pacific Northwest gets a top league team back (PCHA!). I even think they should shoot for a regional identity.

The Pacific Eagles? The Northeast Rockers? Something like that.

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10-23-2011, 07:16 PM
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Portland or Seattle over a third Ontario team, second Toronto area team? HELL YA! Buffalo is significantly invested in the non-Leafs southeastern Ontario hockey base.

I really hope the Pacific Northwest gets a top league team back (PCHA!). I even think they should shoot for a regional identity.

The Pacific Eagles? The Northeast Rockers? Something like that.
I was referring to a perfect world where no one gets to whine about their territorial rights. If the goal is to simply make the most dough, I think a 3rd GTA team would sell out, and if a seattle team also would, the GTA team would do so at a higher average price.

I mean it's not the worst idea, I just think there are a few better ones.

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10-23-2011, 10:24 PM
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Likely some time in January.
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10-23-2011, 11:26 PM
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ATD 2012 will start in 2012.

Glad to see you're anticipating it. Next week is November, Christmas around the corner. The new year will come in no time!

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10-24-2011, 02:03 AM
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I enjoyed doing 2 atds yearly but now it is sadly just one

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10-24-2011, 04:19 PM
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I agree , even if I'm in the middle of the AAA draft I just can't wait for the next ATD , I'm actually very anxious about it and what draft position I'm going to be.I look forward to finishing my ATD-MLD-AAA-AA rookie year and enter the next one with more experience and knowledge , without losing any passion about it.

And let's be honest here , discussing and debating about great players is by far funnier than debating about semi-stars and average 3rd line players.

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10-24-2011, 04:29 PM
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I was referring to a perfect world where no one gets to whine about their territorial rights. If the goal is to simply make the most dough, I think a 3rd GTA team would sell out, and if a seattle team also would, the GTA team would do so at a higher average price.

I mean it's not the worst idea, I just think there are a few better ones.
I would just be worried that another GTA would kill Buffalo. The Sabres are popular in Buffalo, but the city itself is on a long term decline. Obviously a new team in GTA would be profitable but is it worth it to the NHL if it kills Buffalo? I don't think I'm exaggerating either - if they take just 20% of Buffalo's market share, it probably kills the Sabres given long term population trends.

(Also, just read the post about your friend. So sorry to hear that).

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10-24-2011, 04:30 PM
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I agree , even if I'm in the middle of the AAA draft I just can't wait for the next ATD , I'm actually very anxious about it and what draft position I'm going to be.I look forward to finishing my ATD-MLD-AAA-AA rookie year and enter the next one with more experience and knowledge , without losing any passion about it.

And let's be honest here , discussing and debating about great players is by far funnier than debating about semi-stars and average 3rd line players.
The lower drafts are just as important, you dig up information on so many players who deserve much more credit and recognition, that will be eventual ATD players even if their career has been over for 70+ years.

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10-24-2011, 04:31 PM
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I agree , even if I'm in the middle of the AAA draft I just can't wait for the next ATD , I'm actually very anxious about it and what draft position I'm going to be.I look forward to finishing my ATD-MLD-AAA-AA rookie year and enter the next one with more experience and knowledge , without losing any passion about it.

And let's be honest here , discussing and debating about great players is by far funnier than debating about semi-stars and average 3rd line players.
I agree that I would prefer to ATD more than once a year. On the other hand, every 6 months is too soon.

This year, those of us into that sort of thing do have the HOH top defensemen project to keep us busy.

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10-27-2011, 04:09 PM
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I find that interest is less for the non main atd drafts

I am just afraid that it may be the reason why we had less gms last time around

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10-27-2011, 04:35 PM
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I find that interest is less for the non main atd drafts

I am just afraid that it may be the reason why we had less gms last time around
What? There were 40 teams, a record number of GMs in the ATD (46!!, not including my three co-GMing). Great participation in the MLD (18 GMs), good in the AAA (12 GMs). ALL drafts have had strong participation this year!!! This is not the U.S. economy.

Dunno what you are talking about.

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10-27-2011, 04:41 PM
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We should never go for more than 40 teams , at the end of the ATD I felt people were all a bit tired and exhausted ATD-wise , the delay between picks were already too long ( hate waiting days betweens picks ) and with so many teams the odds of having GMs that give up on his team is bigger.

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10-27-2011, 04:46 PM
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We should never go for more than 40 teams , at the end of the ATD I felt people were all a bit tired and exhausted ATD-wise , the delay between picks were already too long ( hate waiting days betweens picks ) and with so many teams the odds of having GMs that give up on his team is bigger.
Yup.

As soon as the AA draft is over, a poll should be made and kept open for a few weeks as to whether people prefer 28, 32, 36, or 40 teams as the target number for the next ATD.

If we do stick with 40 teams, the clock in the middle of the draft absolutely must be shortened.

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10-27-2011, 05:07 PM
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Yup.

As soon as the AA draft is over, a poll should be made and kept open for a few weeks as to whether people prefer 28, 32, 36, or 40 teams as the target number for the next ATD.

If we do stick with 40 teams, the clock in the middle of the draft absolutely must be shortened.
My vote will be 28 if possible , if there's more than 28 trustworthy GMs that want to participate we'll have to make it bigger but last time they weren't 40 serious GMs in this thing , not to mention VanIslander's little scheme LMAO.

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10-27-2011, 05:12 PM
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I realized a couple of players are getting unfair treatment ATD wise , those are the players that get drafted as spares at the end of every draft , while the couple of first players from lower draft are getting reviewed in first line roles , the spares are basically plugs compared to other player in their respective league while they could have been great MLD 1st liner.I propose we completely eliminate spares ( except the back-up goalie ) from those drafts to fix this problem.any thoughts?

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10-27-2011, 06:29 PM
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I realized a couple of players are getting unfair treatment ATD wise , those are the players that get drafted as spares at the end of every draft , while the couple of first players from lower draft are getting reviewed in first line roles , the spares are basically plugs compared to other player in their respective league while they could have been great MLD 1st liner.I propose we completely eliminate spares ( except the back-up goalie ) from those drafts to fix this problem.any thoughts?
I disagree. We're noting their abilities in the ATD by selecting them as spares. Spares in the ATD are still very important picks that are given a lot of consideration, for me at least.

I say don't gun for a certain number. Whatever number sign up, we go with that number.

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10-27-2011, 06:51 PM
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I disagree with reen and agree with Billy. We draft real teams. Real teams get injured and fill those spots with their spares.

As for the draft frequency - this was voted on and we are doing it once a year now. In the meantime, there is plenty to keep you busy. It is highly recommended to join the mld and aaa drafts to hone your research skills and get a better feel for what the other GMs look for in a player. If you don't then you have no right to whine about losing in the first round over and over again.

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10-27-2011, 08:39 PM
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100% agreed with Billy and seventies.

Also, I'd be okay with any number of teams between 28 and 36, 32 is pretty reasonable IMO. I must say, I enjoyed the 40-team draft a lot minus the wait because there was constant discussion/activity going on, I could always visit the forum and there would be ongoing debate about something.

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10-27-2011, 10:23 PM
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Yup.

As soon as the AA draft is over, a poll should be made and kept open for a few weeks as to whether people prefer 28, 32, 36, or 40 teams as the target number for the next ATD.

If we do stick with 40 teams, the clock in the middle of the draft absolutely must be shortened.
I'd say just keep it open depending on how many people want to have teams. I don't think we should push so hard to get 40 or however many, at any rate; it's nice to have, but better to get people really committed, and there is always the MLD and AAA to get things to the arbitrarily magic 1000 players. Bigger doesn't neccesarily mean better.

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I've met a good amount. Bob Kelly and Bernie Parent are the Flyers' ambassadors and are always around in the concourse, and I've had a few minute conversations with them. I've also had dinner with Marty Biron and Mike Richards. Brad McCrimmon(RIP) and Ian Laperriere actually came to my house to view my hockey shrine of a basement.



That's my basement. Included are signatures from everyone in the top 25 in this list except Morenz, Plante, Sawchuk, and Shore. And we've got a good amount of the rest of the list. It's an ongoing project. But the majority of the basement is Flyers stuff. Signed pucks, jerseys, sticks, photos, lineup cards, etc.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...he_Hockey_News
Jeez, billy, how do you have a basement like that? I thought you were a kid. That is pretty epic.

You have Fred Flintstone's signature? That thing must be worth a fortune.

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10-27-2011, 11:58 PM
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Billy, you inspired me to do this:

The timing was good because I just bought two newer shelves so I had more room and for the first time since buying my house, my first 7 years of THN were on a shelf instead of in a big tupperware box.


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Billy, you inspired me to do this:

The timing was good because I just bought two newer shelves so I had more room and for the first time since buying my house, my first 7 years of THN were on a shelf instead of in a big tupperware box.

Is so incredibly jealous that it isn't even funny.

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10-28-2011, 07:42 AM
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... not to mention VanIslander's little scheme LMAO.
I had one (1) co-GM'd team in the draft until the latter half of the draft when a few deadbeats abandoned their teams needing later-in-the-draft pick selections. ONE.

There was no scheme. Stepping in with two socks to make up two abandoned teams' skipped picks with two socks that were idle at the time was unwise, but by no means planned or scheming in any sense.

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10-28-2011, 09:35 AM
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I had one (1) co-GM'd team in the draft until the latter half of the draft when a few deadbeats abandoned their teams needing later-in-the-draft pick selections. ONE.

There was no scheme. Stepping in with two socks to make up two abandoned teams' skipped picks with two socks that were idle at the time was unwise, but by no means planned or scheming in any sense.
what is done is done but we can't let something like that happen another time , it made the ATD look amateurish.The most knowledgable GMs should lead by example to give the ATD the credibility it deserves , not to mention mentoring new GMs into this philosophy.

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I had one (1) co-GM'd team in the draft until the latter half of the draft when a few deadbeats abandoned their teams needing later-in-the-draft pick selections. ONE.

There was no scheme. Stepping in with two socks to make up two abandoned teams' skipped picks with two socks that were idle at the time was unwise, but by no means planned or scheming in any sense.
I said I wouldn't talk about this anymore, but since it is being discussed...

Stepping in to help out with the two idle users was relatively benign. If there was any "scheme", it was the dishonest voting on the trade rules in which all three users voted your preferred option first, and your hated option (the one that most wanted and that we eventually instituted) last,exerting undue influence on the process.

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