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Edmonton's 1rst up for grabs

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06-09-2011, 12:28 AM
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RNH >>>>>>> Rundblad/Karlsson/Spezza (taking into account his abhorrent cap hit)/Cowen/Strome/Couturier/Huberdeau/Zibenajed/Murphy

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06-09-2011, 12:31 AM
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I wouldn't lump them all together but there definitely are a select few that are very vocal and making the fan base come across as bitter.

Has anyone in this thread said that?
I think it's because they lost out on RNH and now have to console themselves because they are getting inferior players. I 100% guarantee that Strome/Huberdeau/Couturier don't come close to being as good as RNH. Only player I think has a chance to be BPA over RNH is Larsson (his offense is severely underrated). There is a clear cut #1 and his name is Nugent-Hopkins. No has dethroned him on any credible ranking for a long time and it's not going to happen at the draft. Some scouts say he's better than Seguin ;-)

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06-09-2011, 12:35 AM
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I find it strange that they'd even mention this. Especially when they were drawing comparisons of RNH's vision to Gretzky.

Kid's a pretty special prospect, I'd hang on to that pick and draft him, maybe it just means that the Oilers are undecided about whether they want a cman or dman.

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06-09-2011, 12:51 AM
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Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

I couldn't see Edmonton trading 1st overall straight up for one of Brayden Schenn, Ryan Johansen or Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Why on earth would they trade 1st overall straight up for Rundblad?

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You didn't notice the #6 overall pick in there?



I'd move the #1 pick if we had the chance to pick up a stud defenseman prospect plus a stud center prospect. I'm not quite sure that Rundblad is quite the right defenseman, and I'm not quite sure that the best center left at #6 (Strome?) is the right guy, but it's definitely worth thinking about.

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06-09-2011, 12:57 AM
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Oilers will not trade the 1st overall unless someone makes a overwhelming offer that is a slam dunk win for Edmonton. I don't see anyone doing that.

Teams that have the first piece required to get the 1st overall (Probably a pick in the top five, maybe the top eight) plus a high end prospect or player are the teams Edmonton wants to talk to but not to trade the first overall. They are fishing and want to get into conversations with these teams to try to get their pick top 8 pick with the 19th, 31st and players/prospects.

The carrot of the 1st is just a conversation starter unless someone is willing to make a ridiculous offer.

The only pie in the sky scenario I could think would be if the Lightning wanted to sign UFA Brad Richards and would be willing to trade Stamkos who is due for a big contract for the 1st overall ( plus a player off the roster) to give them cap relief . If they then draft RNH they could keep him in junior and then would not have to pay top dollar until he ends his entry level contract ( 4 years from now). By then St. Louis is gone and they have the money to sign their 1st overall pick to the big long term contract.

By doing this the Lightning would have back together St. Louis, Lecavalier and Richards to make a run at the cup. Richards helps them win now better than Stamkos and then they have a future star in RNH.

For the Oilers, Stamkos is in the right age group with their young players and the salary cap is no problem to give him a long term deal.

Like I said a huge overpayment that Edmonton could not turn down. I don't see it happening but that's the only way that pick moves.

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06-09-2011, 01:00 AM
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I think it's because they lost out on RNH and now have to console themselves because they are getting inferior players. I 100% guarantee that Strome/Huberdeau/Couturier don't come close to being as good as RNH. Only player I think has a chance to be BPA over RNH is Larsson (his offense is severely underrated). There is a clear cut #1 and his name is Nugent-Hopkins. No has dethroned him on any credible ranking for a long time and it's not going to happen at the draft. Some scouts say he's better than Seguin ;-)
I'd take RNH over Seguin. They had similar stats but RNH put them up in tighter checking league with A LOT less ice time. I believe RNH played 5 or 6 more games but I bet Seguin played over 100 more minutes in his draft year. Seguin is the better goal scorer but they're both pass first players...and RNH is the better passer. He's also only slightly smaller but much harder to play against.

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I also think Edmonton wants Huberdeau but they don't want to take him at #1. If they can grab an excellent dman prospect and Huberdeau they would probably be very happy.

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06-09-2011, 01:04 AM
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The best forward in this draft is RNH by a country mile. The only debate is whether we want Larsson instead because he's a defenseman as another poster said. (Draft by need, not by BPA). Sens aren't getting a #1 overall calibre player at #6 as much as they want to believe it. The only #1 overall calibre player will go to the Oilers (RNH).

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I'd take RNH over Seguin. They had similar stats but RNH put them up in tighter checking league with A LOT less ice time. I believe RNH played 5 or 6 more games but I bet Seguin played over 100 more minutes in his draft year. Seguin is the better goal scorer but they're both pass first players...and RNH is the better passer. He's also only slightly smaller but much harder to play against.
I have a hard time buying into the idea that RNH is a better prospect than Sequin. I could be wrong, but I think Sequin will be a good all around 1A center.

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I have a hard time buying into the idea that RNH is a better prospect than Sequin. I could be wrong, but I think Sequin will be a good all around 1A center.
I think they're a wash and it will really come down to what type of player you like more. Seguin should score slightly more goals and is positionally better in his own zone but RNH should put up similar point totals while being much harder to play against and not a perimeter player. They both have that bit of Datsyuk in them where they can pick someone's pocket with ease. Each have advantages over the other but I like RNH better. Seguin shies away from physical play too much for my liking.

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Per RDS.

Oilers are listening to offers for the 1rst overall.

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/320972.html
How about from Buffalo
Enroth
Ennis
16th overall pick?
Sounds like that could land a pretty good center.

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06-09-2011, 02:54 AM
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How about from Buffalo
Enroth
Ennis
16th overall pick?
Sounds like that could land a pretty good center.
As much as i like the players purposed and Ennis being a local kid,he's small and we need to get bigger,so it's a no.We would like to take Kassian off your hands though.Gagner and 31st.

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We need elite players, not 2nd liners.

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I think they're a wash and it will really come down to what type of player you like more. Seguin should score slightly more goals and is positionally better in his own zone but RNH should put up similar point totals while being much harder to play against and not a perimeter player. They both have that bit of Datsyuk in them where they can pick someone's pocket with ease. Each have advantages over the other but I like RNH better. Seguin shies away from physical play too much for my liking.
Heh yeah but Sequin has a little more size... I certainly hope RNH knows better than to play physically until he fills out... like to 190+ pounds, that is.

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If I were the sabres I'd rather give up less and just try to get into the top 10 to get Couturier. If I was putting an offer for the 1st overall pick from buffalo it would be:

To edmonton :
Kassian
Enroth
the 16th pick
next years 1st
next years 3rd

To Buffalo :
the first overall pick

It would have to be an insane offer like this to get the first overall pick.

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The thread title is really deceiving. The 1st overall is not "up for grabs", Tambellini is just listening to offers as most GMs who own the #1 pick do unless a Crosby level player is available.
He would be stupid to not listen to offers but it will take a massive overpay to get that pick especially since the Oilers seem to value RNH fairly comfortably over the others so in other words, it's fun to talk about but #1 isn't being traded.

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I will bet my bottom dollar that the Blue Jackets are one of the team's that have made an offer for the 1st overall pick.

My guess is Ryan Johansen, 8th Overall Pick and possibly a prospect/player.
You will lose that bet then because the Jackets are looking to win now so they need established NHL players and not more prospects.
Also, i'm a big RNH fan but if Columbus offered Johansen+8th overall and Tambellini declined, i would wonder what Tambellini was smoking.

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Heh yeah but Sequin has a little more size... I certainly hope RNH knows better than to play physically until he fills out... like to 190+ pounds, that is.
This is a pet peeve of mine. Can you please start spelling his name right. It's SeGuin.

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I'm not a Sens fan personally, but maybe something along the lines of:

To Oil:
#6 + Rundblad

To Sens:
#1 (RNH)
Why should the Sens want this?

#6 can turn out as good as #1 in this years Draft.
Rundblad can turn out to be better than #1 in this years Draft.

RNH isn't worth Rundblad + #6

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If I were the sabres I'd rather give up less and just try to get into the top 10 to get Couturier. If I was putting an offer for the 1st overall pick from buffalo it would be:

To edmonton :
Kassian
Enroth
the 16th pick
next years 1st
next years 3rd

To Buffalo :
the first overall pick

It would have to be an insane offer like this to get the first overall pick.
I appreciate the value in this offer, it would be difficult to turn down.

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Why should the Sens want this?

#6 can turn out as good as #1 in this years Draft.
Rundblad can turn out to be better than #1 in this years Draft.

RNH isn't worth Rundblad + #6
#74 CAN turn out to be as good as #1, but it's just unlikely. RNH is miles ahead of Huberdeau.Couturier/Strome as far as elite skill goes. I've seen all 3 (alot of Strome being a dogs season ticket holder) and they all have question marks as to whether their games will translate to the NHL. There is no question with RNH and his vision is unmatched.

Let's see how Rundblad does on North American ice before we make silly comments like that.

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Rundblad will not be moved.. Ottawa will make a few deals and wouldnt be surprised to see them aquire another top 10 pick without moving #6.. They have a ton of D prospects and picks this year to make a few deals. This team is set up very well for the future.

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Why should the Sens want this?

#6 can turn out as good as #1 in this years Draft.
Rundblad can turn out to be better than #1 in this years Draft.

RNH isn't worth Rundblad + #6
QFT.

The difference between RNH and Strome/Landeskog/Couterier etc. is not the 5th rated prospect in the NHL. This deal makes little to no sense for Ottawa.

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DREGER: OILERS LISTENING TO ALL OFFERS ON FIRST OVERALL PICK

6/16/2010 6:34:48 PM


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Oilers general manager Steve Tambellini says teams continue to call, inquiring about what it might take to convince Edmonton to trade the first overall pick in next week's NHL Entry Draft.

Tambellini's response remains the same; he says he's not sure what it would take to move such a valuable asset, but he's willing to listen and consider all offers.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=324845

IT'S THE SAME STORY EVERY YEAR FOLKS. THE MEDIA HAS YOU ON A HOOK.

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To Edm:
RW/LW-Semin

To Wash:
2011 1st overall pick
C-Sam Gagne

thought I'd throw a solid 1st line Winger out there and see what people thought! having said that go ahead and flame away...:-D

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RW/LW-Semin

To Wash:
2011 1st overall pick
C-Sam Gagne

thought I'd throw a solid 1st line Winger out there and see what people thought! having said that go ahead and flame away...:-D
I won't flame away, but the Oilers have no need for a winger, as good as Semin is. The only way I see this pick being moved for a roster player, is if the Oil are getting a top line center back in the deal. Otherwise, no I don't think it will be traded.

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