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06-09-2011, 12:43 PM
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Huh?? Selanne went from 30 points to 0. He had a season to get healthy and better and it has helped him prolong his career. Hopefully Drury's rejuvenate year was last year.
Urrgh....

Either way we're making different points.

Anyway, I think Drury has a lot of upside. I'll be happy with a low risk contract to see what he has left. Particularly given our C depth.

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Post has learned Sather has told Drury he will be bought out. Team will NOT buyout Wolski or Avery.

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06-09-2011, 12:46 PM
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no, no, no. Let's bury our ghosts and move on!

I think you're letting your memories of the good times getting in the way of looking at Drury the hockey player 2012.

I'm glad we didn't pay for Drury, as it turned out to be one of the best decisions that management didn't really make. He hasn't been a + player in meaningful playing time since Buffalo. He's gotten worse every year. He peaked here, and I don't want him back. I don't want the ghost of 2006 hovering in the arena anymore. Looking forward, not backwards.

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Take the 1.5 or 2 mil you guys are floating and add it to the Richards offer instead.
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06-09-2011, 12:51 PM
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Post has learned Sather has told Drury he will be bought out. Team will NOT buyout Wolski or Avery.
Considering from the several reports citing how Avery and Richards were friends, I wondered what the impact of buying Avery out would have on Richards' decision.

As several mentioned on the Main Board under the Drury thread, buying out the captain AND Wolski would have likely put up some red flags to a guy like Richards - especially since he's talked about the salary dumps the Lightning were forced to make shortly after winning the Cup and his unhappiness of being forced to accept a trade for salary reasons as well. If the Rangers were to buy out Drury, Wolski and Avery (while hiding Redden in the AHL for another season), that sure wouldn't leave me with any sense of job security if I were Richards.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers at some point do either demote or buy out Wolski and Avery after the Richards contract is done, be it with NY or another team. They may be delaying those moves for now only as a method of preventive damage control.

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Urrgh....

Either way we're making different points.

Anyway, I think Drury has a lot of upside. I'll be happy with a low risk contract to see what he has left. Particularly given our C depth.
Haha, I agree about having him back. I think he could go back to around 35-40 points and we a true leader not a fake like Neids.

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06-09-2011, 12:59 PM
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no, no, no. Let's bury our ghosts and move on!

I think you're letting your memories of the good times getting in the way of looking at Drury the hockey player 2012.

I'm glad we didn't pay for Drury, as it turned out to be one of the best decisions that management didn't really make. He hasn't been a + player in meaningful playing time since Buffalo. He's gotten worse every year. He peaked here, and I don't want him back. I don't want the ghost of 2006 hovering in the arena anymore. Looking forward, not backwards.
Drury of 2005-07: 30+ goal scorer, face-off ace, great power play contributor and penalty killer, veteran leader with solid work ethic, average skater.

Drury of 2011: Face-off ace, great penalty killer, veteran leader with solid work ethic, average skater.

I doubt that any realistic fan lobbying for Drury's return, nor Sabre management nor likely Drury himself, expects him to do everything he did and be everything he was four years ago. He's a different player and the league is officiated differently now.

There's nostalgia and there's pragmatism. If a modest salary on a short-term contract was acceptable for Grier and Niedermayer, each of whom offered no more than what Drury can now, it's pragmatic to consider him - even moreso because of his familiarity with the coach, system, half the roster and the city.

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06-09-2011, 01:00 PM
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short term, short money

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06-09-2011, 01:09 PM
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It would be nice to have someone besides Gaustad to win faceoffs. Bringing in Drury might also make Hecht expendable. We need a replacement for Nieds, too. Who knows, Drury's had lots of time to recover from his injuries. Maybe he'll bounce back, and I would gladly spend up to $2M of Terry Pegula's money to see if he could be of service to the team again.

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06-09-2011, 01:20 PM
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Drury of 2005-07: 30+ goal scorer, face-off ace, great power play contributor and penalty killer, veteran leader with solid work ethic, average skater.

Drury of 2011: Face-off ace, great penalty killer, veteran leader with solid work ethic, average skater.
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I think you are a bit generous w/ your assessment of Drury.

Drury of 2011: Face-off ace, average penalty killer, veteran leader w/ solid work ethic, below-average skater, injury liability

I don't even see as much there as you do. If I want an average penalty killer w/ leadership and work ethic, but injury issues and skill less than you would want out of a top 12 player, give me another year of Grier.

but while we can disagree on that, I do agree that no one expects him to be what he used to be. I just don't think there's room on this roster for a guy who's best asset is that he played here four years ago.

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I can see some team offering close to $2 mil, which I wouldn't touch. 1 year/$1 mil max.

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It would be nice to have someone besides Gaustad to win faceoffs. Bringing in Drury might also make Hecht expendable. We need a replacement for Nieds, too. Who knows, Drury's had lots of time to recover from his injuries. Maybe he'll bounce back, and I would gladly spend up to $2M of Terry Pegula's money to see if he could be of service to the team again.
Why would Hecht become expendable with the acquisition of a 4th line vet?

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06-09-2011, 01:34 PM
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2 years 3 million. Do it.

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2 years 3 million. Do it.
I'm sure he would jump at the chance to go from making $7M a year to $1.5M.

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06-09-2011, 01:41 PM
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I'm sure Drury won't be a hard ass over money since he'll still make a pretty penny off his buyout. But quite frankly, I love the guy but I would need to see that he can actually skate before he is signed. His skating was terrible last year and was nothing more than a faceoff specialist and an emotional boost for the Rangers in game 82. If his knee is fully recovered, then I'd take him back for the 3rd / 4th line center role.

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I'm sure he would jump at the chance to go from making $7M a year to $1.5M.
If that's all any team offers and retirement is the only other option, he would.

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I'm sure he would jump at the chance to go from making $7M a year to $1.5M.
He's not going to have much of a choice.

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I'm sure he would jump at the chance to go from making $7M a year to $1.5M.
Considering he's going to get over 3 million dollars from his buyout, he'll still be making at least 4.5 million if he got 1.5. I'm pretty sure he knows at this point in his career that this is what he has become.

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Considering he's going to get over 3 million dollars from his buyout, he'll still be making at least 4.5 million if he got 1.5. I'm pretty sure he knows at this point in his career that this is what he has become.
I hate this argument. Yes, he's getting buyout money, but it's less than what he would have made if he would have stayed on the team. I'm sure that won't sit well with him.

There will be a team that will pay Drury in the high $2M to 3M range. If $1.5M is his only option aside from retirement, he might just sit the year or play in Europe.

I can't imagine any scenario where he would just accept such a massive pay cut happily, especially to come back here where he would be carrying the baggage of how he left.

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"Dru is getting older; that's why he has a chronic knee [condition]," Tortorella said. "It's not my total decision but I have my thoughts."

It is unknown whether Drury will seek to continue his career or whether the 12-year veteran (255-360=615 in 892 games) and three-time USA Olympian will retire. Drury also played for the Avalanche, Flames and Sabres.

It is also possible, if not likely, that Drury will undergo medical treatment for his knee before deciding on a course of action.
Good luck with that.

I'm sorry but after seeing most of the players on this team be injured right around the time playoffs roll around the past few years I'd rather not sign another liability. No matter the contract and no matter his role on the team.

If you want to sign Drury to a 1.5 Million contract you better sign someone else to a contract too to play when Drury can't go.

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IMO, Drury's best move is to NOT sign with anyone, sit out the start of the season, fully heal, spend time with the family and some of those millions of $, and see if he can sign with a team after the New Year.

I either want Gaustad as my 4C, or an upgrade. I don't view Drury as a slam-dunk upgrade.
I don't want Drury pushing Gaustad to the wing, if that means McCormick is not re-signed.
I don't want Drury as a fill-in 3C / 4C if I can re-sign Nieds and have Nieds play close to how he did the last ~25+7 games of the season.
I prefer another year of re-signed Mike Grier as PK duty / vet leadership before Drury. I'd take an upgrade over both, if I can swing it.
(Note: Mike Grier wants to be in BUF, I have no knowledge of Drury's sentiments.)
Drury does not seem to be a significant piece in the "Cup in 3 years" puzzle.
I do not want to spend time / energy thinking about if/how/when Drury fits in the "cup in 3 years" puzzle when that time / energy should be devoted to a #1/#2 C to complement Roy.

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06-09-2011, 02:11 PM
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$1.25M is around what I would be willing to spend for that role. Basically a straight replacement for Nieds.
This is exactly where I'm at.

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I hate this argument. Yes, he's getting buyout money, but it's less than what he would have made if he would have stayed on the team. I'm sure that won't sit well with him.

There will be a team that will pay Drury in the high $2M to 3M range. If $1.5M is his only option aside from retirement, he might just sit the year or play in Europe.

I can't imagine any scenario where he would just accept such a massive pay cut happily, especially to come back here where he would be carrying the baggage of how he left.
The guy is not a selfish person at all, he's not going to be an ******* over money. Nobody is going to give him that much money considering how much he has dropped off. If you think Europe is actually a possibility, you're insane. Watching interviews at the end of the season, he knows what type of player he has become and even though he was hoping he wouldn't get bought out, he said he would understand why if it happened. Is it really a massive pay cut if he get paid 1.5 million? That's still over 5 million dollars for a guy who is a 4th liner at this point in his career and more than he was making before he went to the Rangers.

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06-09-2011, 03:09 PM
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I'm sorry but after seeing most of the players on this team be injured right around the time playoffs roll around the past few years I'd rather not sign another liability.
Totally agree, but that's slightly easier to swallow if you'd have him in a 4th line role anyhow.

As a one million dollar depth option at a position of weakness for us, it could work.

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