Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Desharnais - Eller - Laich
Darche - Konopka - White
Markov - Yemelin
Gorges - Subban
Gill - Weber
Price
Sanford
Here's a thought i haven't seen,and it's not a good one. What if the Bruins want Laich. They have to replace Recchi and Ryder,and have the cap room to acquire anybody we want to.And no player in their right mind will go to Montreal over the B's,as the teams are currently. He gets surrounded by protection in Boston,but will be a target 20-30 times a year if they come here(Tor,Bost,Philly,Ott et. al). Also what if the B's acquire Rupp,Torres or McCormick.It's a very scary thought.
Here's a thought i haven't seen,and it's not a good one. What if the Bruins want Laich. They have to replace Recchi and Ryder,and have the cap room to acquire anybody we want to.And no player in their right mind will go to Montreal over the B's,as the teams are currently. He gets surrounded by protection in Boston,but will be a target 20-30 times a year if they come here(Tor,Bost,Philly,Ott et. al). Also what if the B's acquire Rupp,Torres or McCormick.It's a very scary thought.
Why is that scary? Why are you so worried about the Bruins? There are 28 other teams in the league. Let the Bruins over pay Laich. Let them get Rup, Torres and McCormick.
Personally, I'm a Montreal Canadiens fan, I'm happy with our team. I love our core, TT has an incredible season and without it, the Bruins wouldn't have won. You can't expect .940 goaltending year in year out. It was an anomolly.
I like our chances with Price in net, Pk on the back end and guys like Gio, Gill and Gomez teaching our younger players how to win.
Here's a thought i haven't seen,and it's not a good one. What if the Bruins want Laich. They have to replace Recchi and Ryder,and have the cap room to acquire anybody we want to.And no player in their right mind will go to Montreal over the B's,as the teams are currently. He gets surrounded by protection in Boston,but will be a target 20-30 times a year if they come here(Tor,Bost,Philly,Ott et. al). Also what if the B's acquire Rupp,Torres or McCormick.It's a very scary thought.
Why? Boston needs to sign skill players as their UFA's are skill guys(Kaberle Recchi Ryder etc), if they replace those guys with McCormich Rupp etc they will just weaken their team.
Compare this list with how the Habs developed from July 1, 2006 on and it's obvious they didn't keep pace, especially in trades (I also consider Seguin to be a trade for Kessel). To rub it in, the Bruins have a higher first rounder in 2011 (#10 vs, #17). I'm not happy. (Y)Emelin had better make the team right away if the Habs are to gain any ground.
Compare this list with how the Habs developed from July 1, 2006 on and it's obvious they didn't keep pace, especially in trades (I also consider Seguin to be a trade for Kessel). To rub it in, the Bruins have a higher first rounder in 2011 (#10 vs, #17). I'm not happy. (Y)Emelin had better make the team right away if the Habs are to gain any ground.
2 of Boston's 3 best players are 34 and 37. The oldest core player on the Habs is 31 or 32.
Compare this list with how the Habs developed from July 1, 2006 on and it's obvious they didn't keep pace, especially in trades (I also consider Seguin to be a trade for Kessel). To rub it in, the Bruins have a higher first rounder in 2011 (#10 vs, #17). I'm not happy. (Y)Emelin had better make the team right away if the Habs are to gain any ground.
There. It has begun. Boston has become the yardstick for success, and any deviation from their "model" will be described as the root of our problems.
This will go on for a year, and then be replaced by the next cup winner, who will also Redefine Success in Hockey for a year.
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners have tanked and drafted top talents, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners had very strong center depth, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how building through the draft was the only way to go?
There. It has begun. Boston has become the yardstick for success, and any deviation from their "model" will be described as the root of our problems.
This will go on for a year, and then be replaced by the next cup winner, who will also Redefine Success in Hockey for a year.
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners have tanked and drafted top talents, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners had very strong center depth, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how building through the draft was the only way to go?
or just last year when the Hawks clearly showed you dont need an elite goalie to win it all...
good thing teams dont follow that logic... otherwise what ? last summer Price is traded (Hawks cup, Halak was good enough) and this summer PG tries everything he can to get him back (TT, you know) ?
Compare this list with how the Habs developed from July 1, 2006 on and it's obvious they didn't keep pace, especially in trades (I also consider Seguin to be a trade for Kessel). To rub it in, the Bruins have a higher first rounder in 2011 (#10 vs, #17). I'm not happy. (Y)Emelin had better make the team right away if the Habs are to gain any ground.
Lucic, Horton, Campbell and Marchand are pieces that can be tracked back to the Neely trade.
There. It has begun. Boston has become the yardstick for success, and any deviation from their "model" will be described as the root of our problems.
This is especially galling because the Bruins are not a particularly strong club, and I don't want to build a Cup team on the premise that 3/4ths of the goalies I face are going to have sub-.900 series. The Habs need to take aim at Washington and Pittsburgh and from there at Detroit and San Jose and, yes, Vancouver. Boston is setting the bar way too low, it's probably even setting the bar below where they already are.
Boston's players have also been overhyped to the point that their myth has become prevalent over their reality. To me that was the worst thing that would happen as a result of their Cup win.
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Originally Posted by Goldthorpe
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners have tanked and drafted top talents, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners had very strong center depth, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how building through the draft was the only way to go?
This is so true.
Good thing they had a second overall pick in Tyler Seguin!
FORWARDS
Jaromir Jagr ($2.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.350m) / David Desharnais ($0.750m) / Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)
Ryan White ($0.650m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / James Wisniewski ($4.250m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($2.500m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / Yannick Weber ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($0.750m)
BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,020,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $779,490
they have about the same salary
Both contract ends this season
Spacek did really well when he played for Lindy Ruff
Buffalo are in need of experience D
Hecht was a awful this year for Buffalo
I signed Jagr, Pacioretty, White, Desharnais, Auld, Markov, Wisniewski, Pyatt and Picard (I sign Weber but he needs to play as much as possible, back to Hamilton i say,,,the 7th D play only from time to time and Picard wasn't that bad and he's a big guy)
And it would look a little like this:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Jaromir Jagr ($2.750m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.750m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / David Desharnais ($0.650m) / Ryan White ($0.900m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.550m) / Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / James Wisniewski ($5.250m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($2.500m)
Alexandre Picard ($0.650m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($0.850m)
BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,562,176; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $837,824
There. It has begun. Boston has become the yardstick for success, and any deviation from their "model" will be described as the root of our problems.
This will go on for a year, and then be replaced by the next cup winner, who will also Redefine Success in Hockey for a year.
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners have tanked and drafted top talents, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how all cup winners had very strong center depth, and that's also what we should be doing?
Remember when people were saying how building through the draft was the only way to go?
Remember after last year final, it was that you didn't need a top flight goalie to win. That was sure proved wrong this year.
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Originally Posted by MathMan
This is especially galling because the Bruins are not a particularly strong club, and I don't want to build a Cup team on the premise that 3/4ths of the goalies I face are going to have sub-.900 series. The Habs need to take aim at Washington and Pittsburgh and from there at Detroit and San Jose and, yes, Vancouver. Boston is setting the bar way too low, it's probably even setting the bar below where they already are.
Boston's players have also been overhyped to the point that their myth has become prevalent over their reality. To me that was the worst thing that would happen as a result of their Cup win.
This is so true.
Good thing they had a second overall pick in Tyler Seguin!
Ya and 3/4 of the team they beat were also missing their no #1 defensemean, Markov, Pronger and Hamhuis. OF those series, two went to game 7.
We should get some Vanchoker Cachokes while they think they need to change their team up. We already have people who molest Timmys stats. We need people who can do it to other goalies. A guy like... what? I just looked at Vancouvers roster, literally nothing of note on the forward side outside of Kesler/Burrows/Sedins. I wouldn't take Malholtra at that contract. Who gives a NTC to a faceoff guy? Nevermind lol, the only thing Vancouver has of interest is Burrows and Kesler.
Ya the Stanley Cup winner went from not needing a star goaltender to the goaltender with the best save percentage ever recorded, and an insane final round.
Ya and 3/4 of the team they beat were also missing their no #1 defensemean, Markov, Pronger and Hamhuis. OF those series, two went to game 7.
And they beat Vanc. w/ their leading scorer (Savard) and their playoff hero/25 goal power forward (Horton)
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Originally Posted by Carey Price
2 of Boston's 3 best players are 34 and 37. The oldest core player on the Habs is 31 or 32.
Their core is so much younger,cheaper,tougher and better than ours,it's not even funny.Do you know anything about hockey.At all.Your the boards version of Jack Edwards.But at least he has a valid pooint once in a while.You talk about us like we're the 76 habs.We are just another team now.
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Originally Posted by habitue
Moen is still under contract for another year, and JM will play him for sure. DD is not a winger and never will be.
Laich is not that great and not the best solution for a third line either.
Sanford is a borderline AHL/NHL goalie.
Price MUST not play more than 60-65 games next season. I don't want him to play back to back games on consecutive nites. He always lost one of them anyway.
Let's sign a real good backup: Garon who can easily play 20-25 solid games and do the job IF Price gor injured or got a bad period.
I am not that crazy about Konopka. A guy like McCormick who played in Buffalo or Rupp would be more useful.
Their core is so much younger,cheaper,tougher and better than ours,it's not even funny.Do you know anything about hockey.At all.Your the boards version of Jack Edwards.But at least he has a valid pooint once in a while.You talk about us like we're the 76 habs.We are just another team now.
reading your posts, looks like its the 2011 Bs who are...
FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.725m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Ryan White ($0.850m) / Jeff Halpern ($1.000m) / Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Yannick Weber ($1.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.250m)
Josh Gorges ($2.500m) / Hal Gill ($2.250m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Ty Conklin ($1.300m)
BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,312,176; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,887,824
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Dump Spacek for whatever and either do the same with Moen or leave him an alternate scratch with Darche. Brouwer would cost a first but would be well worth the price. Between him and AK, we would have an actual scoring checking line.
Edit: Yes, I did forget about Deharnais however I am tended to leave him in the minors for the season. He showed exceptional promise, yet still appeared raw. With the above roster he would only see fourth line minutes, which I do not believe would be at all beneficial to his development. Thus, it would be best to "Pacioretty" him if you will.
Last edited by Bourne Endeavor: 06-18-2011 at 09:42 AM.
Cammy - Pleks - Jagr
MaxPac - Gomez - Gionta
Pouliot - Eller - A.Kost
Darche - DD - White
(+Moen or Pyatt, I don't care)
Markov - Wisniewski
Gorges - Subban
Gill - Weber
(+Emelin - rotate him in there to give Gill some nights off, since Weber shouldn't need a full time babysitter anyway)
Price
Auld
No idea what the cap his is there, but I'm pretty sure it could fit. Only change over what he currently have is Jagr brought in, and Spacek sent packing.
The more I think about it, the more a guy like Langenbrunner seems like a guy PG would target, even though he's on the decline.
- He's a respected veteran.
- He's got Stanley Cup experience and rings.
- He is responsible defensively having all that experience in NJ.
- He shouldn't be too pricey after last season.
- He's not huge, but has decent size and a little bit of grit to his game.
A guy with his experience that can play on the 3rd line, but could slide up into the top 6 if needed just seems like a great fit for Martin's preferences. I think he could be a nice acquisition.
I'd want a pick added in...Wisniewski is worth a lot more.
Yea but we are talking RIGHTS here. Rights to players are worth significantly less than the actual player. For example, Wizniewski's rights are probably worth a 3rd (most) or 4th rounder. If Ericsson's rights are coming back, that pick could very easily become a 7th rounder or no pick at all for that matter. A swap for rights in this case is fine...
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
I'm told the upper limit of the 2011-12 NHL salary cap will be $64 million. The lower limit, or floor, will be $48 million.
That's alot......Maybe we can keep Wiz + Markov
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($3.750m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / David Desharnais ($0.550m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)
Josh Gorges ($2.300m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,970,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,029,491
Last edited by Bieber fever: 06-19-2011 at 11:53 PM.
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($4m)
David Desharnais ($0.750m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / Ryan White ($0.850m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / James Wisniewski ($4.800m)
Josh Gorges ($2.500m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,970,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,029,491
This is my take. Just added a couple more realistic $$$ to the signings (added 1mil still leaves cap wiggle room) and switched DD & Moen.
