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06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
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Since pretty much everyone in the league except for Vancouver uses power-on-power matchups (1st-line vs 1st-line), I'm looking at the quality of opposition the players faced to get an idea of how the coach employed the player.

The highest Briere ranked over the past four years, where he played at least half the season,in any of the metrics was 7th
Richards was bounced around with a tonne of linemates this season, but when Phily needed a forward out there matched up against the opposition's first-line. Unless Philly is super-specialized like Vancouver is, Richards played the role of 1st-line centre.
Overall you're right but Chicago is also somewhat like Vancouver, using Bolland to suck up the tough competition and defensive zone starts. Then there's Toronto which strangely really doesn't do much of a line assignment system at all.

There are some teams like Carolina, Dallas or Colorado that employ a defensive 3rd line to get the 2nd line in better scoring position while the 1st takes the tough competition.


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06-23-2011, 06:17 PM
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Dreger just said Brent Burns could be moved. I would love him in a Habs jersey.

AK + Weber + Kristo for Burns.

Not enough?

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06-23-2011, 09:09 PM
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Dreger just said Brent Burns could be moved. I would love him in a Habs jersey.

AK + Weber + Kristo for Burns.

Not enough?
Weber kristo and a pick perhaps. They know they gotta ship him cause they aint getting him signed.


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FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Brooks Laich ($4.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m)
Aaron Palushaj ($0.883m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
/ Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Josh Gorges ($2.500m)
P.K. Subban ($0.875m) / Hal Gill ($2.250m)
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Some 500-800 K minor leaguer.

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Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,320,509; BONUSES: $487,500
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06-23-2011, 09:15 PM
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Dreger just said Brent Burns could be moved. I would love him in a Habs jersey.

AK + Weber + Kristo for Burns.

Not enough?
Burns would be a perfect fit... but I think he's going to cost a lot more...

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06-23-2011, 09:43 PM
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So the team is almost complete......

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / XXXXX ( $0.0m )
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Josh Gorges ($2.800m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Yannick Weber ($0.875m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,520,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $8,779,491

and we have 8,7M$ left ! To sign like one player.....Gauthier can't leave that much cap unused......

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06-23-2011, 09:43 PM
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Burns would be a perfect fit... but I think he's going to cost a lot more...
If he cost more than that, I would take a pass. We would be giving up young talent and taking on yet another player who would make cap management difficult. A team can only have so many high salaried players no matter how well they might fit or how talented they are. Keep in mind, we have Subban and Price to re-sign next year

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06-23-2011, 09:56 PM
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Dreger just said Brent Burns could be moved. I would love him in a Habs jersey.

AK + Weber + Kristo for Burns.

Not enough?
IMO the roster is just about set,and we won't be getting any d-men out of house.What you see is what you're getting.And we certainly don't have the assets to acquire a top 6 forward at present time. The trade deadline is the best chance of that happening

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06-23-2011, 10:06 PM
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So the team is almost complete......

and we have 8,7M$ left ! To sign like one player.....Gauthier can't leave that much cap unused......
When laid out like that, I'd certainly find between 2 and 3 million to throw at Jagr, and let A.Kost and him jockey it out for who deserves the most top 6 minutes. Heck, I bet it'd be fun for Eller to play with someone like Jagr if A.Kost just decides to go beast mode on his familiar line. It'd be an interesting start to the season. Leaves a BIG chunk of coin to play with at the trade deadline, if need be.

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06-23-2011, 10:08 PM
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if the team is complete our salary will be around 57 million. wow! thats a lotta wiggle room. if that happens this team will struggle. we need size and skill on top 6

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06-23-2011, 10:09 PM
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I hope if PG isn't planning on signing Wiz, he at least is shopping his rights. You'd think you could easily get a 3rd-4th round pick

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06-23-2011, 10:50 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tim Connolly ($2.500m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Simon Gagne ($4.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Michael Rupp ($1.300m)
/ / Ryan White ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m)
Ed Jovanovski ($3.650m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($2.150m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / Yannick Weber ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Josh Harding ($0.900m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

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CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,569,967

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Florida took Gomez cuz they need salaries. We got [put random player, prospect or pick here].
Spacek trade.
Pouliot trade.

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06-23-2011, 10:52 PM
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So the team is almost complete......




and we have 8,7M$ left ! To sign like one player.....Gauthier can't leave that much cap unused......
we trade Spacek and Pouliot tomorrow

11 million free space.

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06-23-2011, 10:57 PM
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Ed Jovanovski ($3.650m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
So you let go of Wiz or Hejda assuming you want a more defensive D, but you brought in a heavily deteriorating D-man like Jovo?! Shame on you. No team would give Jovo that money at this point either.

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06-24-2011, 12:28 AM
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So, delving into the super-hypothetical and stolen from the comments of an Oilers blog I read... anyone up for Wayne Simmonds and/or Jakub Voracek offer sheets? Last year compenstation was roughly a 3rd-round pick for $1m-$1.5m; a 2nd-round pick for $1.5m-$3.1m, a 1st & 3rd for $3.1m-$4.7m.

Those numbers are probably up a bit this year, the Habs have ample cap-room (at least $6 million on forwards unless Gauthier does something crazy like sign Wiz and keep Spacek), and they could use a pair of wingers for the 3rd-line this year. You could go for one, or following this blueprint both if you offer one the 2nd-round range and the other the 1st&3rd-round range.

If Philly is dumb enough to re-sign Leino before they get those two locked up they'd be up a creek with no paddle. Even if they don't sign Leino $6 million on the two would put them in an awfully tight squeeze.

Going forward the Habs should have ample cap-room, especially if Eller develops into a 2nd-line centre and Gomez is dumpable. It might mean they aren't able to re-sign Kostitsyn after this season if the cap doesn't work out, but the hope would be that one of Simmonds or Voracek could fill that role in the near future.


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06-24-2011, 03:43 AM
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So, delving into the super-hypothetical and stolen from the comments of an Oilers blog I read... anyone up for Wayne Simmonds and/or Jakub Voracek offer sheets? Last year compenstation was roughly a 3rd-round pick for $1m-$1.5m; a 2nd-round pick for $1.5m-$3.1m, a 1st & 3rd for $3.1m-$4.7m.

Those numbers are probably up a bit this year, the Habs have ample cap-room (at least $6 million on forwards unless Gauthier does something crazy like sign Wiz and keep Spacek), and they could use a pair of wingers for the 3rd-line this year. You could go for one, or following this blueprint both if you offer one the 2nd-round range and the other the 1st&3rd-round range.

If Philly is dumb enough to re-sign Leino before they get those two locked up they'd be up a creek with no paddle. Even if they don't sign Leino $6 million on the two would put them in an awfully tight squeeze.

Going forward the Habs should have ample cap-room, especially if Eller develops into a 2nd-line centre and Gomez is dumpable. It might mean they aren't able to re-sign Kostitsyn after this season if the cap doesn't work out, but the hope would be that one of Simmonds or Voracek could fill that role in the near future.
Normally I don't consider offersheets to be a viable strategy, but this has merit if the RFA's are exposed. These players also aren't going to have a developed loyalty to their team, which makes offering them more money then they'd make as a regular RFA more effective. Picking up a young top-9 guy with upside is a good investment at this point. That it screws a potential competitor makes it even better.

Philadelphia also isn't in a position to counter this off season, although if the Habs aren't careful, they could make a play for revenge next summer when a number of crucial RFA's need resigning. That would be a matter of making sure you lock up Price, Subban, Eller etc. before July 1.

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06-24-2011, 06:07 AM
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Normally I don't consider offersheets to be a viable strategy, but this has merit if the RFA's are exposed. These players also aren't going to have a developed loyalty to their team, which makes offering them more money then they'd make as a regular RFA more effective. Picking up a young top-9 guy with upside is a good investment at this point. That it screws a potential competitor makes it even better.

Philadelphia also isn't in a position to counter this off season, although if the Habs aren't careful, they could make a play for revenge next summer when a number of crucial RFA's need resigning. That would be a matter of making sure you lock up Price, Subban, Eller etc. before July 1.
Precisely.

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Normally I don't consider offersheets to be a viable strategy, but this has merit if the RFA's are exposed. These players also aren't going to have a developed loyalty to their team, which makes offering them more money then they'd make as a regular RFA more effective. Picking up a young top-9 guy with upside is a good investment at this point. That it screws a potential competitor makes it even better.

Philadelphia also isn't in a position to counter this off season, although if the Habs aren't careful, they could make a play for revenge next summer when a number of crucial RFA's need resigning. That would be a matter of making sure you lock up Price, Subban, Eller etc. before July 1.
There is no way PG makes an offer sheet to anyone,as 90% of GM's wouldn't either. There is the revenge factor,and they are in a good ole boys network. Only younger,new and not connected gms would do this

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Nothing too big this season. Next year is gonna be the real thing! Resign Price, Subban and we make an offer sheet to Tavares !!

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If we go into the season with Eller and Desharnais slotted into our 3rd and 4th line centers, does Gauthier find a free-agent center to start the year while Eller is injured, or do we go into the season with Engqvist there?

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If we go into the season with Eller and Desharnais slotted into our 3rd and 4th line centers, does Gauthier find a free-agent center to start the year while Eller is injured, or do we go into the season with Engqvist there?
Engqvist will probably be given a chance to show what he can do. Depends what happens from now till then. If PG gets another top 4 D and top 6 forward, with the other RFA to sign, there won t be much money left for a 4 th center

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If we go into the season with Eller and Desharnais slotted into our 3rd and 4th line centers, does Gauthier find a free-agent center to start the year while Eller is injured, or do we go into the season with Engqvist there?
I think PG/JM are going to go with Engqvist for the time being. They praised him here and there over the past year.

That said, I sometimes wish they were more ambitious in their dealings. Gomez and Spacek have got to go and with that room there are free agents or signed players to target. Hell, offer-sheet Stamkos to a lifer deal. This team needs to keep progressing, keep sharpening and the weakest links have to be continually replaced.

That's how NJD, DET and COL did it when they were (are) elite.

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Use that space to build up some bulk on the 4th line.

Moen and White are a good start. Get one more.

Play Darche as the 13th forward.

Do away with Pyatt and Pouliot.

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Use that space to build up some bulk on the 4th line.

Moen and White are a good start. Get one more.

Play Darche as the 13th forward.

Do away with Pyatt and Pouliot.
Hordichuk is a guy I'd like on our 4th line, he can play, decent skater and he won't back down from anybody.

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Seems to be alot of drama on the boards the last day or two???

Breathe guys, breathe....

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After PG's press conference yesterday, it's pretty much a sign that the team will not be active with either trades or free agency this year.

He made it clear, with his great stats, that the team is a relatively new one and does not need more changes.

Too bad.

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