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06-10-2011, 01:26 PM
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FORWARDS
Brian Gionta ($5.000m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Max Pacioretty ($1.300m)
Ville Leino ($3.250m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
Michael Rupp ($1.000m) / David Desharnais ($0.900m) / Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)
Ryan White ($0.900m) / Tom Pyatt ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Josh Gorges ($1.500m)
Yannick Weber ($1.100m) / Alexandre Picard ($0.600m)

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BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

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CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $4,279,491

I'm not 100% sure for the defense yet...

Defense too weak and not enough physical. We need to give ago Spacek for free money for a true top 2 defenseman (a defensive physical, or a good mobile physical defenseman).

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06-10-2011, 01:37 PM
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Cammalleri Plekanec Desharnais
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Darche Eller Kostitsyn
White Pyatt Moen

Subban Gill
Spacek Gorges
Yemelin Weber
Diaz

Price
Turco

I think we win the cup with a line-up like that !

Oh yeah... I forgot... Our best player ! 10 million dollar in cap space !

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06-10-2011, 01:37 PM
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Defense too weak and not enough physical. We need to give ago Spacek for free money for a true top 2 defenseman (a defensive physical, or a good mobile physical defenseman).
I really don't think that it will be possible for PG to get rid of Spacek's salary without taking on an equally bad contract.

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06-10-2011, 01:49 PM
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Cammalleri Plekanec Desharnais
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Darche Eller Kostitsyn
White Pyatt Moen

Subban Gill
Spacek Gorges
Yemelin Weber
Diaz

Price
Turco

I think we win the cup with a line-up like that !

Oh yeah... I forgot... Our best player ! 10 million dollar in cap space !
Our top 6 is way too small to go anywhere.
No Markov or Wisniewski?

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06-10-2011, 01:53 PM
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Defense too weak and not enough physical. We need to give ago Spacek for free money for a true top 2 defenseman (a defensive physical, or a good mobile physical defenseman).
Agreed but that type of D isn't really available... Bieksa and Erhoff isn't a #2.
We have a top 2 D: Markov and Subban.
We have a shutout D: Gorges (is he the best no but that's what we have)
We have a defensive specialist (PK): Gill
We "could" have a good mobile physical D: Emelin

only time will tell

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What about Brewer?

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Our top 6 is way too small to go anywhere.
No Markov or Wisniewski?
I agree...Desharnais penciled in to the top 6 is a bad idea...maybe to fill in for a game or two but not full time.

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mike commodore, top 4 and physical defensive defenseman.

maybe...
Markov with gorges
Gill with Subban
someone with Commodore

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I really don't think that it will be possible for PG to get rid of Spacek's salary without taking on an equally bad contract.
I don't think so. People are talking about Commodore. maybe ???

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According to the team990 Montreal,
Tony Marinaro stated that from a reliable source, the habs will resign both Markov and Wizniewski before July 1st.

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According to the team990 Montreal,
Tony Marinaro stated that from a reliable source, the habs will resign both Markov and Wizniewski before July 1st.
That's both encouraging and plausible.

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According to the team990 Montreal,
Tony Marinaro stated that from a reliable source, the habs will resign both Markov and Wizniewski before July 1st.
Dont get me wrong that would be amazing but dont we have to think about the contracts for Subban and Price. I think the habs are going to sign markov and then trade negotiation rights of wiz to a team that shows interests.


The cap-acrobatics required for this would mean that gomez being sent down in my opinion.

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06-10-2011, 05:12 PM
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Cammalleri Plekanec Jagr
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Darche Eller Kostitsyn
White Desharnais Moen
Pyatt

Markov Wiz
Yemelin Subban
Gill Gorges
Weber Spacek


Price
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06-10-2011, 05:15 PM
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Cammalleri Plekanec Jagr
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Darche Eller Kostitsyn
White Desharnais Moen
Pyatt

Markov Wiz
Yemelin Subban
Gill Gorges
Weber Spacek


Price
Ault
I like this, but I'm really not sure about Yemelin. I haven't seen him play and I see a lot of people putting him right away in the top 4.

I really wonder if he'll be able to make a smooth transition from KHL to NHL, I hope so.

Am I the only one excited about the possible signing of Jagr? I think he still can contribute 60-70 pts.

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FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($3.750m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / David Desharnais ($0.550m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)
Josh Gorges ($2.400m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

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SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,520,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,479,491

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06-10-2011, 05:22 PM
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According to the team990 Montreal,
Tony Marinaro stated that from a reliable source, the habs will resign both Markov and Wizniewski before July 1st.
what? I was listening to him today and it was never brought up. I saw the other thread claiming this, the guy is lying.

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06-10-2011, 05:43 PM
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Cammalleri Plekanec Jagr
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Darche Eller Kostitsyn
White Desharnais Moen
Pyatt

Markov Wiz
Yemelin Subban
Gill Gorges
Weber Spacek


Price
Ault
Where are Control and Delete?

On a more serious note, I don't see Desharnais on the 4th line if we're looking to add any size to our lineup this summer.

This is how I see our offense shaping up.

Locks:
Cammalleri
Plekanec
Gionta
Pacioretty
Eller
Kostitsyn (just re-signed)
White
Darche (just re-signed)

Likely not going anywhere:
Gomez
Moen
Desharnais

On the table:
Pouliot
Pyatt

That leaves two-out and two-in. I think the Pouliot ship has sailed. We need a top 6 winger who can play with Plekanec and Cammalleri, and Pouliot, like Kostitsyn, is a 3rd line player now. Unfortunately, Desharnais also isn't a 4th line guy if we want to bulk up this summer so it really is a choice of Desharnais or Pouliot on the 3rd line to play with Eller and Kostitsyn. I think Desharnais wins out due to his work ethic.

Pyatt, for all of his PK skills, is also expendable. I love his work ethic and consistency but we need someone with size in his place. A guy like Talbot is an upgrade on Pyatt. However, a better option would be someone with size (who uses it) who can also take faceoffs well. This would let us fill that position on the 4th line with a Talbot/Konopka type.

That leaves us with,
Cammalleri - Plekanec - RW
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Desharnais - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - C - White
Darche

which would be a very solid lineup if we're able to pick up a C and RW with size. I'd even look at Drury who just got bought out as the 4th line centre who can play in clutch situations both during the regular and post-season. Let him prove himself. He would be a great veteran to add to the group given a reasonable salary and he can earn his ice time.


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It's going to be tough to top that eloquence, but I'll give it my best:

1- As a defensive center, I believe Drury would be an upgrade. Halpern wasn't the same player by the end of the season as he was at the beginning, I think injuries may have taken their toll on his stamina. Drury is that right shooting center that the Habs always make sure to have. His faceoff % was 56.4 last season, 52.9 the season before. Over half of his faceoffs last season were taken short handed. He took twice as many faceoffs in the defensive zone as in the offensive zone, negatively affecting his scoring totals, but showing how much confidence Tortorella placed in his defensive abilities. Given his situation, I believe there's a good chance Drury would be willing to accept a 1 year contract, which would also be ideal for the Habs' situation. I was liberal with his salary because that's just how I estimate UFA signings, just to make sure the lineup is realistic.

2- Versteeg clearly doesn't suck. He is in that Higgins/Cleary family of players that can't be depended on to carry a scoring line, but can excel with linemates better than they are. That is a step better than Pouliot, who I believe can excel against inferior opposition, but not against good opposition, even if his linemates are also good. On top of that, Versteeg is more well rounded than Pouliot, and I can see a player with his skillset (smart, fast, tenacious) doing well under Martin.

3- Stortini is no Laraque or MacIntyre, but he is a better player than them, and other players will actually fight him. I think he is a victim of the youth movement in Edmonton. Not that a team should rely on him too much (I do have him as the 15th forward), but I think he can play a role against poor teams that fight a lot (Leafs, Flames, Islanders) without costing his team too much on the ice. BTW, the Huggy Bear nickname is from his rookie year of 06-07, his fighting got better with experience.

1) David Steckel is better suited for our team than Chris Drury. Steckel had a 63% faceoff winning percentage. Is about as useful offensively, solid defensively and might cost less. Like you, I'm not sure how much Drury could get, but at 1.1 for Steckel it's very plausible that it's cheaper.

2) You and I both know Martin will shift Versteeg, or even start him in the top 6. Trust me, I'd love him on the 3rd line with Desharnais and someone else, but we'd be better suited to spend that 3 mill on Kopecky imo. He's 6'2, hits and loves to go to the front of the net. Gives a solid effort. He also doesn't try to rap. At least that I'm aware of.

3) Stortini isn't that skilled of a player in any sense. His fighting abilities aren't good enough to land him a spot. A combination of fighting skills and playing skills isn't enough. Besides, Boston has numerous fighters. What's one ****** fighter going to do for us if Boston tries to drag a game into the gutter and the habs try to follow ? In his place, I'd rather have Brad Winchester. 6'5, scored I believe 10 goals last year, hits and fights just as well, if not better than Stortini. He's UFA, so we wouldn't have to give up a pick.

So, instead of 5'11 Drury, 5'11 Versteeg, and 6'3 Stortini you add 6'5 David Steckel, 6'2 Tomas Kopecky and 6'5 Brad Winchester for pretty much the same cost. Of the players I suggest none of them are coming off being bought out because they suck so much. None of them have been traded because the fans hated him, only to be hated in his new city. and none of them only played 32 games because he sucks on the worst team in the league after being waived because, well, he sucks.

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Dont get me wrong that would be amazing but dont we have to think about the contracts for Subban and Price. I think the habs are going to sign markov and then trade negotiation rights of wiz to a team that shows interests.


The cap-acrobatics required for this would mean that gomez being sent down in my opinion.
As has been stated plenty of times before, not that big a problem.

PK + Price 2011 = 3.6M
PK + Price 2012 = 10M at most, maybe less if PK is signed to a 2 yr RFA contract instead of a big multi year deal.

So, if the 2011 team spends close to the cap, need to find 6.4M for 2012.

Goodbye Spacek (3.8) Gill (2.25) Moen (1.5). Replace all three with 1M players and that's 4.5 saved. If cap goes up by another 2M then it's all good.

I agree that for 2012, trading Gomez and adding a $4-5M forward who actually gives the team close to $4-5M production makes the whole thing a lot easier but it can be done even if the team keeps Gomez through the end of his contract.

And if by some miracle the team trades Spacek now and then gets to the cap limit in 2011, the Flyers have always been able to get rid of the one guy they don't want in order to make the salaries fit later on. No way I would ever want the team to forgo signing a useful player this offseason on the off chance they have to figure out salaries down the road.

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The best part about thinking about having Wiz resigned, is that it possibly means that with a full healthy Dcorp, /knocks on tiger wood, that Spacek will sporadically play sitting as a 7th D.

Markov-Gorges
Gill-Subban
Yemelin-Wiz

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Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
David Desharnais ($0.650m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Andreas Engqvist ($0.900m) / Ryan White ($0.650m)
Brad Winchester ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / James Wisniewski ($5.000m)
Josh Gorges ($2.500m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Yannick Weber ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,620,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,879,491

I don't see many changes happening now. Hopefully a tough forward to fill out the roster. I chose Winchester, he can play both wings and doesn't hurt you when on the ice, and offers protection for the team. He's a pretty tough customer. The Habs seem high on Engqvist and can see him being the 4th line center. Decent top 4 on D, and I can see Markov taking a little less (closer to 5mil) if the team offers him term, 4 years or more. I think 5mil per for the Wiz is a good contract for him, hopefully no more but could see some team pony up on July 1. Auld can be replaced by another back-up for 1mil, such as Conklin or Hedberg. If the cap goes to 63.5mil like rumored, leaves the Habs with a little less than 3mil available. I think that can be more due to Markov taking less for term, Weber, Desharnais, and White taking league minimum for a 1-way contract, and Pacioretty getting less (probably under a mil) for a one year contract. With Moen, Spacek, Gill, and Laraque coming off the cap at seasons end leaves enough room for Price, Subban, and anyone elses raises. And the 3 of them could be replaced internally with Conboy (another good year of development), Yemelin, Weber, and one of Diaz, Carle, or Nash.

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1) David Steckel is better suited for our team than Chris Drury. Steckel had a 63% faceoff winning percentage. Is about as useful offensively, solid defensively and might cost less. Like you, I'm not sure how much Drury could get, but at 1.1 for Steckel it's very plausible that it's cheaper.

2) You and I both know Martin will shift Versteeg, or even start him in the top 6. Trust me, I'd love him on the 3rd line with Desharnais and someone else, but we'd be better suited to spend that 3 mill on Kopecky imo. He's 6'2, hits and loves to go to the front of the net. Gives a solid effort. He also doesn't try to rap. At least that I'm aware of.

3) Stortini isn't that skilled of a player in any sense. His fighting abilities aren't good enough to land him a spot. A combination of fighting skills and playing skills isn't enough. Besides, Boston has numerous fighters. What's one ****** fighter going to do for us if Boston tries to drag a game into the gutter and the habs try to follow ? In his place, I'd rather have Brad Winchester. 6'5, scored I believe 10 goals last year, hits and fights just as well, if not better than Stortini. He's UFA, so we wouldn't have to give up a pick.

So, instead of 5'11 Drury, 5'11 Versteeg, and 6'3 Stortini you add 6'5 David Steckel, 6'2 Tomas Kopecky and 6'5 Brad Winchester for pretty much the same cost. Of the players I suggest none of them are coming off being bought out because they suck so much. None of them have been traded because the fans hated him, only to be hated in his new city. and none of them only played 32 games because he sucks on the worst team in the league after being waived because, well, he sucks.
You might have something there with Steckel. Been reading up on Drury and there seems to be a problem with a knee. Kopecky would be good on the third line but were starting to have alot of players for the bottom 2 lines. We need someone with size for the top line with Pleks, Laich or Jagr seems to be the choices at the moment as UFA. The other option is Trade - They have Pouliot, Pyatt, Spacek and maybe Desharnais, prospect and picks. They need to find the cap space for a # 3 or 4 defensemen. With a strong D and Price, we would be in evry game.

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You might have something there with Steckel. Been reading up on Drury and there seems to be a problem with a knee. Kopecky would be good on the third line but were starting to have alot of players for the bottom 2 lines. We need someone with size for the top line with Pleks, Laich or Jagr seems to be the choices at the moment as UFA. The other option is Trade - They have Pouliot, Pyatt, Spacek and maybe Desharnais, prospect and picks. They need to find the cap space for a # 3 or 4 defensemen. With a strong D and Price, we would be in evry game.
The question becomes who ?

Guys in Edmonton like Theo Peckham and Ladislav Smid are guys who are physical. Peckham is tough as hell, too.

Habs need another physical dman.

Komisarek sucks, Polak just re-signed, LA isn't trading Greene and Dallas isn't trading Grossman. It's going to be a hard find... If they're even looking.

As for size in the top 6, don't forget about Pacioretty.

If Montréal ran out of options and acquired Versteeg for cheap, I wouldn't be too upset.

Though, Gorges might do the trick. He, Subban and maybe Emelin could average over 100 hits. If we sign Wiz, then we could potentially have 4 d with 100+ hits.

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I really don't think that it will be possible for PG to get rid of Spacek's salary without taking on an equally bad contract.
How about Spacek for Commodore and then banish Commodore to the minors... or Gomez for Commodore and do the same thing.

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Cammalleri Plekanec Jagr
Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
Darche Eller Kostitsyn
White Steckel Moen
Pyatt Desharnais

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Pouliot, Pyatt, Desharnais, Spacek would be trading chips. We don t have to trade them all but would be available.

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