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06-09-2011, 04:01 PM
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I do not believe this will or would happen but I was wondering from a value standpoint if a deal like this could work. I don't believe the Wild are looking to move Burns or have a reason to unless they were looking for a shake-up and to stock pile some prospects.

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Filppula + Smith (top D prospect) + 2nd/3rd

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Burns + 2nd/3rd

Filppula could be a 2nd line center and is great defensively plus has offensive talent that he hasn't maxed out on yet. Smith could end up being a offensive #1 or #2 D-man.

Burns is big and a RH shot which the Wings are always in need of.

Again not saying I would want to make the deal just wondering if it's way off or is close.

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06-09-2011, 04:03 PM
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I'm a Wings fan and this is an embarrassing offer, not even close to enough for Burns. Smith is a fantastic trade chip but Filppula isn't and the picks cancel out.

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06-09-2011, 04:09 PM
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Burns will only be traded for a forward who puts up at least 70 points and is an offensive threat. That's not Filppula It's that simple.

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06-09-2011, 06:20 PM
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I'm a Wings fan and this is an embarrassing offer, not even close to enough for Burns. Smith is a fantastic trade chip but Filppula isn't and the picks cancel out.
Coming from you, that hurts.

OP, why not just wait and see if you can get him for free(Burns)?

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IF Burns makes it to UFA GMCF will be tared and feathered

he's either singed long term or traded before the season starts if Wings want him they need to pay with offensive prospect and blue chip ones at that.

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06-09-2011, 07:04 PM
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The absolute earliest Burns can be traded is after the draft. The team can't even talk contract with him until July 1st, so anything regarding draft picks at this point isn't really worth considering.

As for the offer. Um. Pass.

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06-09-2011, 07:12 PM
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I'm a Wings fan and this is an embarrassing offer, not even close to enough for Burns. Smith is a fantastic trade chip but Filppula isn't and the picks cancel out.
Hey, aren't you the guy who proposed Filpula and McCollum for Doughty? Should you really be talking?
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...3#post33438923


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06-09-2011, 07:13 PM
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Coming from you, that hurts.

OP, why not just wait and see if you can get him for free(Burns)?
I thought he still had another year left on his contract. I would assume after who ever we sign this year and Smith making the jump there might not be a roster spot. This is if we attempt to fill Rafalski's spot.

Yes coming from Edge of Sanity does hurt. I fully understand that from a Minny point of view what is the point of trading their number 1 Dman. I was just looking to gauge value of Filppula and Smith and what kind of Dman it could return.

I guess I was kind of using the Alex Goligoski to the Dallas Stars for James Neal and Matt Niskanen deal. I understand they aren't identical but I thought it was fairly close. Thought may be Detroit adding the 2nd and Minny the third could even things a bit.

Anyways the whole point was to find out value and so far it looks to be way off.


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06-09-2011, 08:23 PM
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I love Burns, I truly do and feel he would be great on detroits backend, that said, I would much rather keep those two players mentioned and sign Ehrhoff or Wisnewski this summer and go after Burns or Suter next summer(if they arent resigned before then).

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06-09-2011, 08:32 PM
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I love Burns, I truly do and feel he would be great on detroits backend, that said, I would much rather keep those two players mentioned and sign Ehrhoff or Wisnewski this summer and go after Burns or Suter next summer(if they arent resigned before then).
So it sounds like this idea works for neither teams. /thread.

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06-09-2011, 11:06 PM
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No thanks. Detroit can just wait for Burns to become a UFA after next season and then sign him.

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The "get him for free" is hilarious. You guys realize that Riser isn't the GM in Minnesota any longer correct? Those asinine mistakes he made aren't going to be made by Fletcher. You'll trade something for him if you want him or you'll not "sign him for nothing", you'll just get "nothing".

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The "get him for free" is hilarious. You guys realize that Riser isn't the GM in Minnesota any longer correct? Those asinine mistakes he made aren't going to be made by Fletcher. You'll trade something for him if you want him or you'll not "sign him for nothing", you'll just get "nothing".
untill he is in fact signed that option remains on the table no matter how remote you may feel it is.

In the meantime, no, Burns is not worth trading signficant assets for.

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The "get him for free" is hilarious. You guys realize that Riser isn't the GM in Minnesota any longer correct? Those asinine mistakes he made aren't going to be made by Fletcher. You'll trade something for him if you want him or you'll not "sign him for nothing", you'll just get "nothing".
What makes you think that Burns wants to resign with a team that hasnt made the playoffs 3 straight years (well 4 after this upcoming season). Not everyone is like Chris Phillips some actually want to play on winning teams. My guess is that Burns leaves Minnesota after this season as a free agent.

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06-10-2011, 08:21 AM
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What makes you think that Burns wants to resign with a team that hasnt made the playoffs 3 straight years (well 4 after this upcoming season). Not everyone is like Chris Phillips some actually want to play on winning teams. My guess is that Burns leaves Minnesota after this season as a free agent.
Thanks for proving that you know absolutely nothing about Burns.

The Wild and Wings don't make good trade partners. We know what Burns is worth, and the Wings won't part with what he's actually worth.

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What makes you think that Burns wants to resign with a team that hasnt made the playoffs 3 straight years (well 4 after this upcoming season). Not everyone is like Chris Phillips some actually want to play on winning teams. My guess is that Burns leaves Minnesota after this season as a free agent.
yeah he hates MN so bad that his home is here he is massively involved in the community and WANTS to be part of this team.

and if we cannot sign him HE WILL BE TRADED NO WAY HE WALKS NEXT YEAR FOR NOTHING

DR let Gaborik walk for nothing, GMCF will be hung if he does the same and given that GMCF has a brain i don't see it happening

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Personally, I would up the offer to the following:

Franzen, Smith, 1st

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Burns

Filpulla simply isn't close to enough value for a #1 defenseman. Hopefully, a top line forward, a premier defensive prospect, and a pick will bring the value closer.

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The absolute earliest Burns can be traded is after the draft. The team can't even talk contract with him until July 1st, so anything regarding draft picks at this point isn't really worth considering.

As for the offer. Um. Pass.
Please tell me why the earliest he can be traded is after the draft?? What does trading him have anything to do with his contract, and I'd love to hear why draft picks can't be involved. As a wings fan there is no way I would give up Filppula and especially Smith, who has potential to be a top pair D man picks....for a guy with one year left on his contract and has concussion problems. So your post...um dumb

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Personally, I would up the offer to the following:

Franzen, Smith, 1st

for

Burns

Filpulla simply isn't close to
enough value for a #1 defenseman. Hopefully, a top line forward, a premier defensive prospect, and a pick will bring the
value closer.

Pretty sure we are talking about Burns....not Suter or Weber

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Please tell me why the earliest he can be traded is after the draft?? What does trading him have anything to do with his contract, and I'd love to hear why draft picks can't be involved. As a wings fan there is no way I would give up Filppula and especially Smith, who has potential to be a top pair D man picks....for a guy with one year left on his contract and has concussion problems. So your post...um dumb
Probably because the team would much rather extend a defenseman of his caliber than trade him for most all of the types of offers thrown around HF. And given the team is bound by the CBA rules of not being able to talk to Burns and his agent about a contract until July 1st, the logical conclusion is he will not be traded until after the draft. If he's moved at all.

And as for the rest of your opinion, I'd rather not trade him for Filppula, Smith, and mid round pick either so that we can agree on. And it's concussion. Singular.

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Pretty sure we are talking about Burns....not Suter or Weber
Take a moment to compare the season Burns had to the two you mentioned and then get back to me. I think you'll be surprised at what you find.

Also, he's a 6'5", right handed, number 1 defenseman at the age of 26. I can understand why Wild fans aren't too intrigued by the thought of giving him up for a 40 point forward as the centerpiece.

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I'd be willing to give up tangible pieces to NOT sign Ehrhoff or Wisniewski. The margin by which I would prefer Burns is "not close"!

Too bad the stars are not aligning for that situation.

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i hate franzen. HATE the look on his face.

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i hate franzen. HATE the look on his face.
Well if that isn't a reason to not have a player on your team, then I don't know what is.

By the way, Burns is a mouth-breather.

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06-10-2011, 06:20 PM
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Well if that isn't a reason to not have a player on your team, then I don't know what is.

By the way, Burns is a mouth-breather.
i make fun of it pretty much every game! Still wouldn't trade him for Franzen.

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