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06-10-2011, 12:39 AM
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Was going to respond to the op, but then I had to wade through a bunch of crap.................. the Oilers are not going to do a quality for quantity deal. They need a #1C and a #1D. Desperately. The prospects you listed are all good players in their own right, but like some have already said, we have more pressing needs, and no other tangible way to meet them.
I'm surprised your response was so calm The OP was at least reasonable because he added solid pieces, but with some of the other stuff in the thread I thought you might tee off...

Is this a new IATL or are you just saving your energy for the last week when there are 20 Oiler threads everyday concerning our pick?

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Well first of all, I dont see how Myers has more value than #1 but to my point..
Because he's the #1 all situations defenseman on a playoff team and he's barely old enough to drink alcohol.

I don't see how the #1 pick has more value than Myers. Teams with the #1 overall pick hope that the player they draft will become the caliber of a player like Myers.

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06-10-2011, 01:02 AM
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Because he's the #1 all situations defenseman on a playoff team and he's barely old enough to drink alcohol.

I don't see how the #1 pick has more value than Myers. Teams with the #1 overall pick hope that the player they draft will become the caliber of a player like Myers.
I don't think Joey or any Oiler fan is arguing the 1st pick is worth more than Myers, but to the Oilers we probably value that pick equal to that of Myers because it's our chance to draft another potential franchise player.

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06-10-2011, 01:10 AM
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Because he's the #1 all situations defenseman on a playoff team and he's barely old enough to drink alcohol.

I don't see how the #1 pick has more value than Myers. Teams with the #1 overall pick hope that the player they draft will become the caliber of a player like Myers.
Here is a list of first overall picks from the last ten years.

Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc Andre Fleury
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall

Now why dont you tell us all who on that list you would take Myers over so we can all have a good laugh.

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To Buf: 19th overall + J.Petry + Omark + Pitlick

To Edm: T. Myers

quantity =/= quality
You're my hero.


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Here is a list of first overall picks from the last ten years.

Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc Andre Fleury
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall

Now why dont you tell us all who on that list you would take Myers over so we can all have a good laugh.
I'm always shy to look at that list too often... makes me think about Patrick Stephan. *knocks on wood*

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Here is a list of first overall picks from the last ten years.

Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc Andre Fleury
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall

Now why dont you tell us all who on that list you would take Myers over so we can all have a good laugh.
I personally would take Myers ahead of the bolded guys.. Kane and Kovy are kinda close. This isn't the "now", just trying to project what the players will become.

Myers is IMO the 2nd best young d in the game atm, only beaten by Doughty and not by a big margin either.


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I personally would take Myers ahead of the bolded guys.. Kane and Kovy are kinda close. This isn't the "now", just trying to project what the players will become.

Myers is IMO the 2nd best young d in the game atm, only beaten by Doughty and not by a big margin either.
Happen to agree with the players you pointed out.
It's apples to oranges quite frankly (outside of Erik Johnson).
Comparing a list of forwards or even a goalie (MA Fluery? Really? ) to a defenseman. Different jobs.

Myers had a stellar rookie season, was rookie of the year. He has taken the Buffalo blueline job on during a time when a transition is occuring with the injection of youth, and he's done it while going through multiple pairing partners and still is a great offensive threat.
With his development in his sophmore season, he hit a bump admittedly, at the start of the season, but he's starting to use his size more, alot more. He's a much better skater than Chara, so as he matures and uses his body more, forwards beware, your going to feel the pain.

The kid is nothing but fantastic, actually sad others outside of Buffalo cannot see him as he goes through these transition phases in his development years.
Tyler Myers is currently a Franchise Defenseman and is likely to be the force to be reckoned with as he develops for years to come in the NHL.

Sounds to me like he's worth a hell of alot more than a 1st round pick in a weak draft class with as of yet, unproven talent.

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Also, it would be Myers +++ for first overall


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Was going to respond to the op, but then I had to wade through a bunch of crap.................. the Oilers are not going to do a quality for quantity deal. They need a #1C and a #1D. Desperately. The prospects you listed are all good players in their own right, but like some have already said, we have more pressing needs, and no other tangible way to meet them.
And that's fine. But the #1 overall pick is not going to bring either of those to Edmonton.

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The pick will only be dealt if a young franchise player is coming back.

I don't know why people say Miller would be worth the 1st overall. He is 30 and a number one centre is more valuable to a team these days than a number one goalie.

If they offered Miller and the oilers would consider a package they would probably want:
16th
Enroth
Pysyk
Kassian

Thats how unlikely the pick is to be moved. They want a franchise player. Myers may be it. But I doubt Buffalo would even consider that move. Too much risk involved for both GM's to pull the trigger.

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Here is a list of first overall picks from the last ten years.

Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc Andre Fleury
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall

Now why dont you tell us all who on that list you would take Myers over so we can all have a good laugh.
Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos
Myers
Kovalchuk
etc.

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Here is a list of first overall picks from the last ten years.

Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc Andre Fleury
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall

Now why dont you tell us all who on that list you would take Myers over so we can all have a good laugh.

That was easy. Myers is a number 1 defenseman with even more upside and is still getting better and hes only 21 with 2 years under his belt in the nhl plus 2 years of playoffs... I love when people underrate Myers...

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The gap between #1 and #16 is too great to bridge, I suspect. It takes a pick in the #2 to round #5 or #6 range, plus a sweetener, when teams at #1 contemplate trading down in a swap.

The alternative is that the Oilers will want a really strong young player/prospect, which inevitably leads to Myers and vitriol from Buffalo fans in this instance.

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That was easy. Myers is a number 1 defenseman with even more upside and is still getting better and hes only 21 with 2 years under his belt in the nhl plus 2 years of playoffs... I love when people underrate Myers...
Myers is a good young player, but lets get real, he had one very good season and one good season.

That's it.

Kovalchuk, Hall and Tavares>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myers. Easily.

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The gap between #1 and #16 is too great to bridge, I suspect. It takes a pick in the #2 to round #5 or #6 range, plus a sweetener, when teams at #1 contemplate trading down in a swap.

The alternative is that the Oilers will want a really strong young player/prospect, which inevitably leads to Myers and vitriol from Buffalo fans in this instance.
Buffalo would never trade Myers. For anything. Nor should they. Consequently the first overall pick is pretty much untouchable. Any package that would secure it would be ridiculous to the point it wouldnt be worth it.

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And that's fine. But the #1 overall pick is not going to bring either of those to Edmonton.
Well that is a ridiculous statement.

Professional scouts have predicted otherwise, and really, you have no idea how these players are going to project.

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Buffalo would never trade Myers. For anything. Nor should they. Consequently the first overall pick is pretty much untouchable. Any package that would secure it would be ridiculous to the point it wouldnt be worth it.
Did you think I was disagreeing?

...yes... and that's why this is a pointless exercise. First overall picks are almost always on the market, the Crosby year as an exception, for a conversation to be had anyway. Yet the price is such that realistic scenarios usually require a swap near the very top (#1 for #2 plus; #1 for #3 plus, etc.) because all the alternatives are clunky.

Teams finishing last overall, or near enough, value prospects, futures, and it's difficult to come up with proposals when you don't have a high pick that convince the team holding the #1 overall to give up that pick.

The dynamic is such that the team holding the #1 pick is almost always in a place where what the franchise values most... is a very high pick. Convincing them to come off that position is exceedingly difficult. Teams not holding and offering up a #2, #3, #4, or #5 pick probably should not apply.

Without one, you end up with the pick-holding team needing a top young player to move the pick, and that's where the deal dies, because the inquiring team is almost never willing to part with that young player. A Myers in this instance. Buffalo isn't trading him, but if so... where are you in terms of a deal? You are nowhere.

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Myers is a good young player, but lets get real, he had one very good season and one good season.

That's it.

Kovalchuk, Hall and Tavares>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myers. Easily.
Not yet they're not. 21 year old #1 all situations D-men with his skill set, skating and size is a blood diamond of the NHL

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Myers is a good young player, but lets get real, he had one very good season and one good season.

That's it.

Kovalchuk, Hall and Tavares>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myers. Easily.
Really your gonna say Hall is better then Myers right now after trying to explain that Myers is still young and had 1 good season and one real good season. Last I checked Hall had 1 good season. Id say Myers first year in the NHL was better then Halls so your logic doesnt really make sense...

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Really your gonna say Hall is better then Myers right now after trying to explain that Myers is still young and had 1 good season and one real good season. Last I checked Hall had 1 good season. Id say Myers first year in the NHL was better then Halls so your logic doesnt really make sense...
Are you trying to tell me that Myers>Hall?

Please, tell me that is what you are saying.

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Not yet they're not. 21 year old #1 all situations D-men with his skill set, skating and size is a blood diamond of the NHL
Being a #1 dman on Buffalo isnt that big of a feat tbh.

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Not yet they're not. 21 year old #1 all situations D-men with his skill set, skating and size is a blood diamond of the NHL
I think Myers is being a little overrated here. He looks great for 21 years old but lets not exaggerate. He had 37 points this season. Not 55. He played 22 minutes a night. Not 26+. He's not overly physical for a big man, he doesn't block a ton of shots and he needs to be more consistent over the course of a season. I know it sounds like I'm being negative but I'm just trying to bring up a few points that are being ignored. People are trying to portray him as the total package and he's not. There is no shame in that when he's as young as he is. He's a #2 Dman with a lot of more growing to do. He's going to be a #1 someday but to say he's only slightly behind Doughty is getting carried away...and I realize he plays in all situations but so do most #2 Dmen.

Edit: Just so Sabres fans don't get to defensive. Ryan Whitney had 27 points in 35 games this season, played 25 minutes a night and on the worst team in the league was a +13. There was a point in the season where he had a point on 70% of the Oilers goals...and he's considered a #2 in most people's eyes.

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Myers is a good young player, but lets get real, he had one very good season and one good season.

That's it.

Kovalchuk, Hall and Tavares>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myers. Easily.
Hahaha!

Hall? Get real, Myers had an elite rookie season, much better then halls.

myers is only behind Doughty when it comes to young d-men.

I laugh at you including Hall with Kovy.

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Are you trying to tell me that Myers>Hall?

Please, tell me that is what you are saying.
Hahaha, Myers outscored Hall as rookies, no one on Edm is on myers level, laughable you think that the truth (myers>hall) is a joke.

You keep your pick, op is misguided if were trading a package like that it will be for an impact player.


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Hahaha!

Hall? Get real, Myers had an elite rookie season, much better then halls.

myers is only behind Doughty when it comes to young d-men.

I laugh at you including Hall with Kovy.
Where was Myers playing as an 18yr old?

That's what I thought.

He wasnt even in the top thirty in scoring for dmen this year.

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Are you trying to tell me that Myers>Hall?

Please, tell me that is what you are saying.
You do know that just becuase someone is drafted first overall doesnt make them better then every player in the league right? HAll had a pretty good year I think hes gonna be a great player dont get me wrong. He still has a lot to prove as does Myers but I personally would take Myers over Hall any day of the week on my team. Players like Myers are almost impossible to come by. Pretty much every Team has a Hall type player on it.

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