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06-26-2011, 11:57 AM
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The Rangers will not be the only team right at the 64 mil cap ceiling when the current CBA expires. There will be safeguards and means of preventing a quarter of the league from suddenly being 20 mil over the cap. The NHL wouldn't let that happen to its most profitable franchises.

Next season's end, Wolski, Avery, Christensen, Biron will come off the books. Prust will be a UFA as well, albeit one we are more likely to want to keep. Assuming those 4 are not re-upped, that is about 5.5 mil in space opening up.

Brooks doesn't want the Rangers to get Richards because he will make the Rangers a better team, and Brooks makes most of his money agonizing over the struggles and problems of the Rangers. When things are going splendidly, people read the beat writers like Zip, Jesse and Gross. When people are looking for controversy and scandals, they turn to Brooks. He can take something sharp and do something with it as far as I am concerned.
Haha so right. Brooks always has to be the "rabble rouser".

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Buffalo has pretty much priced themselves out of the BR sweepstakes with the Regehr/Kotalik trade. After signing all of their key RFA's to reasonable contracts, they will have less than $6 in cap space remaining. Unless they send Kotalik to the minors, not enough room.

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Buffalo has pretty much priced themselves out of the BR sweepstakes with the Regehr/Kotalik trade. After signing all of their key RFA's to reasonable contracts, they will have less than $6 in cap space remaining. Unless they send Kotalik to the minors, not enough room.
Toronto and NYR should be the big players. You have to wonder if the reason Tampa hasn't reached agreements with Stamkos and Gagne is because they are waiting to see if they can fit into the sweepstakes as well.

This isn't to say they would sacrifice Stamkos for Richards, although I am sure they gladly would sacrifice Gagne, it is that a Richards contract might force them to alter the terms of Stammer
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Toronto and NYR should be the big players. You have to wonder if the reason Tampa hasn't reached agreements with Stamkos and Gagne is because they are waiting to see if they can fit into the sweepstakes as well.

This isn't to say they would sacrifice Stamkos for Richards, although I am sure they gladly would sacrifice Gagne, it is that a Richards contract might force them to alter the terms of Stammer
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I'm pretty sure it's come out already that they said they wont be re-signing gagne

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I'm thinking Richards is not taking less money than he is making now.
He goes to the highest bidder. All this nonsense about how he regrets his last contract is all PR.

Hey, by the way, you need a new KoolAid coverboy.
There ya go.

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My prediction is still 7.5M per for 7 yrs. Only way he gets more is if he goes to Toronto. Burke is desperate and will do anything to get his team to the playoffs. He won't endure another failure of a season. Only way Richards goes to Toronto is if they overpay drastically.

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I wish Larry had expressed these feelings when he demanded Sather sign Gomez and Holik. Larry proposes 5 years/$32.5M with $11M in salary for 11-12 in case there are any rollbacks in the next CBA. Feels 8 years/$50-$55M is too much. The next CBA will be over before that type of Richards contract ends so they could compliance buy him out. Yesterday,he wrote there will be oodles of players available in the next CBA. That's what they said about the current CBA and most of the key guys stayed with their current teams. Pronger was traded. Forsberg signed with Philly. The other players re-signed their teams.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...-rss&FEEDNAME=

Dave Maloney has also been skeptical about pursuing Richards and whether or not Sather is willing to pay the price. Last night on NHL Live,he said Sather is positioning the Rangers to make a big run at Richards.

Front load the contract. What's the most they can give Richards in salary for next season and structure the contract within the CBA guidelines? It has to follow a certain structure. $12-$15 million and then it declines. That's Cam Hope's job.

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I wish Larry had expressed these feelings when he demanded Sather sign Gomez and Holik. Larry proposes 5 years/$32.5M with $11M in salary for 11-12 in case there are any rollbacks in the next CBA. Feels 8 years/$50-$55M is too much. The next CBA will be over before that type of Richards contract ends so they could compliance buy him out. Yesterday,he wrote there will be oodles of players available in the next CBA. That's what they said about the current CBA and most of the key guys stayed with their current teams. Pronger was traded. Forsberg signed with Philly. The other players re-signed their teams.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...-rss&FEEDNAME=

Dave Maloney has also been skeptical about pursuing Richards and whether or not Sather is willing to pay the price. Last night on NHL Live,he said Sather is positioning the Rangers to make a big run at Richards.

Front load the contract. What's the most they can give Richards in salary for next season and structure the contract within the CBA guidelines? It has to follow a certain structure. $12-$15 million and then it declines. That's Cam Hope's job.
Didn't the Post report that Cam Hope is leaving the organization?

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Didn't the Post report that Cam Hope is leaving the organization?
yeah but he's not leaving right now

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I wish Larry had expressed these feelings when he demanded Sather sign Gomez and Holik. Larry proposes 5 years/$32.5M with $11M in salary for 11-12 in case there are any rollbacks in the next CBA. Feels 8 years/$50-$55M is too much. The next CBA will be over before that type of Richards contract ends so they could compliance buy him out. Yesterday,he wrote there will be oodles of players available in the next CBA. That's what they said about the current CBA and most of the key guys stayed with their current teams. Pronger was traded. Forsberg signed with Philly. The other players re-signed their teams.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...-rss&FEEDNAME=

Dave Maloney has also been skeptical about pursuing Richards and whether or not Sather is willing to pay the price. Last night on NHL Live,he said Sather is positioning the Rangers to make a big run at Richards.

Front load the contract. What's the most they can give Richards in salary for next season and structure the contract within the CBA guidelines? It has to follow a certain structure. $12-$15 million and then it declines. That's Cam Hope's job.
Larry's just disappointed that there's not another Devil on the market that he can push for the Rangers to sign.

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so now Brooks' theory is that the Rangers shouldn't give Richards his price, because of how they got "burned" in the past with contracts like Holik, Redden, Drury, and Gomez? Each situation was different.
It would be ludicrious imo for the rangers to now balk at Richards for a million or two, based upon the mistakes of some of these contracts.

High priced/long term contracts are the norm for locking up top players. It would be nice if there were other options to explore in the FA market, but there's not. Richards makes too much sense for the Rangers, and they deseperately need what he has.

If Sather decides to stand firm and let Richards go elsewhere over a year or two/million or two, it will be an error of equal or greater than the bad contracts mentioned above.


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With arbitration season just around the corner,Hope will represent the NYR in any potential hearings.

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so now Brooks' theory is that the Rangers should give Richards his price, because of how they got "burned" in the past with contracts like Holik, Redden, Drury, and Gomez? Each situation was different.
It would be ludicrious imo for the rangers to now balk at Richards for a million or two, based upon the mistakes of some of these contracts.

High priced/long term contracts are the norm for locking up top players. It would be nice if there were other options to explore in the FA market, but there's not. Richards makes too much sense for the Rangers, and they deseperately need what he has.

If Sather decides to stand firm and let Richards go elsewhere over a year or two/million or two, it will be an error of equal or greater than the bad contracts mentioned above.
I agree wholeheartedly. Nowhere else are you going to find one of the 10-15 best centers in the league and top 10 PP quartebacks in the league in a single player -- let alone a single player that won't cost anything but cap space. The fact that he fills two huge (and expensive) roles definitely makes him more valuable to us. I don't think a single piece can magically fix our PP, but I would argue that there is not a single player in the entire league that would go further toward fixing our PP than Richards.

He's a risk, but even with a long term or large cap hit, it's a risk well worth taking. As I said in the Anisimov thread:

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If you can trade Brian Campbell/Scott Gomez, you can trade an under-performing Brad Richards.

But if he's not under-performing, you suddenly have some of the deepest center depth in the league.

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so now Brooks' theory is that the Rangers shouldn't give Richards his price, because of how they got "burned" in the past with contracts like Holik, Redden, Drury, and Gomez? Each situation was different.
It would be ludicrious imo for the rangers to now balk at Richards for a million or two, based upon the mistakes of some of these contracts.

High priced/long term contracts are the norm for locking up top players. It would be nice if there were other options to explore in the FA market, but there's not. Richards makes too much sense for the Rangers, and they deseperately need what he has.

If Sather decides to stand firm and let Richards go elsewhere over a year or two/million or two, it will be an error of equal or greater than the bad contracts mentioned above.
If you throw enough **** at the wall, some of it is bound to stick. One of these contracts has to work out eventually, right? Go get him, Slats!

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word up azrok22!

Richards, just makes too much sense for this Rangers team right now.
We can live with the risks it brings. For whatever it's worth I feel confident the NYR will get him. I would be shocked if they didn't.

I would hope they don't stop at Richards. They need to package something for another true scorer.

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If you throw enough **** at the wall, some of it is bound to stick. One of these contracts has to work out eventually, right? Go get him, Slats!
i don't think signing a top 1C is throwing **** at the wall. All of the bad contracts mentioned failed for different reasons.

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I did the cap calculations again with the removal of Grachev from our summer cap hit, and correction to actual salary cap number next year, both with and with Drury, since there's still confusion about our summer cap space on the main board. As has been stated elsewhere, we don't even need to buyout Drury to fit Richards anymore.

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Actually, you're underestimating the Rangers' summer cap space significantly (note, players on 2-way deals that did not play in the NHL last year do not count against the cap).

The proper summer cap calculations are below:

If Chris Drury is NOT bought out:

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello ($0.940m) / Kris Newbury ($0.093m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($0.684m)
Michael DelZotto ($0.689m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m) / Cam Talbot ($0.004m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,730,000; CAP PAYROLL: $46,851,998; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $23,878,002
If Chris Drury IS bought out:

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($3.717m BUYOUT HIT) / Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello ($0.940m) / Kris Newbury ($0.093m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($0.684m)
Michael DelZotto ($0.689m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m) / Cam Talbot ($0.004m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,730,000; CAP PAYROLL: $43,518,665; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $27,211,335
Unsigned RFAs (estimated salary):
Dubinsky (~$4m)
Callahan (~$4m)
Anisimov (~$2m)
Boyle (~$1.5m)
Sauer (~$1.5m)

Potential holes to be filled via UFA:
Top 6 Center
2nd/3rd line LW (rumored to be Fedotenko, who earned $1m last year)
6th/7th Defenseman (not needed if you give Valentenko the 7th spot, which would leave you with Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Sauer, Del Zotto, Erixon, Valentenko)

EDIT: Which leaves you with approximately $10m if Drury is not bought out, or $13.3m if Drury is bought out, to spend on UFAs as you deem appropriate.


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I think people fail to realize that giving Richards a huge contract is completly different tehn just about all the other big contracts given out. Holik was pre-lockout and he was a very good 3rd line center signed to be a first. Gomez was a very good 2nd line center signed to be a first. Drury was a good 2nd line center who would have been best suited to be a 3rd line center, but was signed coming off a career year.

See a theme here? The Ranger have been trying everything to have a 1st line center and hoping 2nd/3rd liners could step in. That failed.

Redden, I think he has compromising pictures of Sather and that is how he got that contract.

Richards IS a first line center and has been for just about his entire career. This isn't signing him and hoping he might turn into one like the Holik, Drury, Gomez signings. He is also a PP QB.

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Brad Richards is telling everyone he wants to be a Ranger. It's just a matter of how much Sather is gonna pay him.

Done deal already. Let's move on....

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Brad Richards is telling everyone he wants to be a Ranger. It's just a matter of how much Sather is gonna pay him.

Done deal already. Let's move on....
Does Richards want to be a Ranger BECAUSE he knows Sather will throw him a gigantic 'lifetime achievement award' contract?

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Brad Richards is telling everyone he wants to be a Ranger. It's just a matter of how much Sather is gonna pay him.

Done deal already. Let's move on....
Where did he say that?

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Richards on the way, if Rangers pay

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so now Brooks' theory is that the Rangers shouldn't give Richards his price, because of how they got "burned" in the past with contracts like Holik, Redden, Drury, and Gomez?
I would argue very strongly that all 3 post lockout signings have had a huge positive effect on the team:

Gomez: turned an UFA signing into McDonagh, Valentenko and partial payment for Prust. Dolan's cash for some immediate rebuilding at the expense of the Canadiens.

Redden: established precedent of permanently demoting an underperforming vet - something NY fans have been demanding for decades. Changed the poor culture in NY.

Drury: his cap hit forced us to use players like McDonagh, Boyle, Prust and Sauer last season instead of trollling the depths of the UFA market and picking up some declining vets. Forced us to play the youth with surprisingly good results.

Unintentional though the results may have been, those 3 albatross contracts did make the franchise stronger IMO.

With Richards though, I would hope that it actually works out as intended - get us some offensive creativity dammit!

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Don't count out LA and Philly just yet, if anything, they will drive the price up.

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Philly has peanuts remaining in summer cap with all of their 1 way contracts and unsigned group IIs. Qualifying offers count in the summer cap. LA needs to re-sign Doughty and sign a LW to replace Smyth. Let's deal with reality.

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