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06-16-2011, 07:45 PM
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Hopefully the teams that pick #1-#14 also rely upon THN Draft Preview then!
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I was looking at the THN draft preview and realized Larsson wasn't on the list.
Oops.
This is the 1st year I haven't bought the THN draft preview...just not that informative to me anymore.

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Hopefully the teams that pick #1-#14 also rely upon THN Draft Preview then!
...I think he means he was reading the THN Draft Preview when he realized HIS list had forgotten Larsson.

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Haven't been following too closely but did read an article on Oleksiak, and despite having drafted McIlrath just last summer, I am intrigued. If the Rangers have a forward that they like fall to them or still be on the board when they are picking, I think they should grab that player. But if they really like Oleksiak and he's available when we select, I would not be opposed to selecting another defenseman.
I am as well. I would not be opposed to taking him at all if Clark and Gorton think that is the way to go. There is nothing wrong with getting even, deeper, meaner and bigger on D.

Teams are built from the net out. At some point down the road having a lot of really good D prospects could put the Rangers in a position where they could make a no brainer deal for an elite young forward or two.

People rag on our forward depth all the time, but I think there may be one or maybe even two big surprises in the pipe already.

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Does it really matter who picks Adam Larsson? We all know he's gonna end up a Ranger anyway. His good buddy Erixon is gonna teach him something about "leverage" and the Rangers will trade a 2nd round pick + Dale Weise for him...

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...I think he means he was reading the THN Draft Preview when he realized HIS list had forgotten Larsson.
Simple enough. Then hopefully they're relying on Rangerboy's original list.

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Simple enough. Then hopefully they're relying on Rangerboy's original list.
Haha...Amen.

And I hope Rundblad likes the look of his name on a Rangers jersey because he next.

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4) NJD- Larsson
5) NYI- Couturier

I will vomit if thats how it falls cause those are my top two in this draft.

Lets hope they can move up some and pick Armia.

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06-16-2011, 08:51 PM
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I'm starting to get the feeling that Miller will be our guy on draft day.

He reminds me of the Kreider pick.

Big, speed, grit, character, fitness, two way game, great shot, high upside. Has not yet had the opportunity to play at a higher level. But all the tools are there.

Everything i hear/read, and see of him screams Rangers pick.

Assuming that Zibanejad, McNeill, Armia, Scheifele are off the board...assuming they're even interested in them, I have a feeling they'll happily take Miller.

They don't trade down ever, so doubtful that happens now.

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I'm starting to get the feeling that Miller will be our guy on draft day.

He reminds me of the Kreider pick.

Big, speed, grit, character, fitness, two way game, great shot, high upside. Has not yet had the opportunity to play at a higher level. But all the tools are there.

Everything i hear/read, and see of him screams Rangers pick.

Assuming that Zibanejad, McNeill, Armia, Scheifele are off the board...assuming they're even interested in them, I have a feeling they'll happily take Miller.

They don't trade down ever, so doubtful that happens now.
I think at least one of those guys will be there @ 15. I would be thrilled with any of them.

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06-16-2011, 08:58 PM
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I'm starting to get the feeling that Miller will be our guy on draft day.

He reminds me of the Kreider pick.

Big, speed, grit, character, fitness, two way game, great shot, high upside. Has not yet had the opportunity to play at a higher level. But all the tools are there.

Everything i hear/read, and see of him screams Rangers pick.

Assuming that Zibanejad, McNeill, Armia, Scheifele are off the board...assuming they're even interested in them, I have a feeling they'll happily take Miller.

They don't trade down ever, so doubtful that happens now.
I don't see how Sather can pass on Puempel on 15, he is totally the kinda player they need, Miller on the other hand there are a bunch of Rangers comparable to him, not saying it's a bad thing just that they need a legit scorer more than anything else.

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06-16-2011, 09:02 PM
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I don't see how Sather can pass on Puempel on 15, he is totally the kinda player they need, Miller on the other hand there are a bunch of Rangers comparable to him, not saying it's a bad thing just that they need a legit scorer more than anything else.
If there are questions about his effort, which both some scouting reports, and observers here at HF have suggested, then it is easy to see how the Rangers would pass on Puempel.

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Which OHL team owns Miller's rights? I remember seeing thathe was willing to skip his college commitment if that's what his NHL team wanted

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I don't see how Sather can pass on Puempel on 15, he is totally the kinda player they need, Miller on the other hand there are a bunch of Rangers comparable to him, not saying it's a bad thing just that they need a legit scorer more than anything else.

Because, he was seriously injured.

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Where Puempel loses his shine is in the fact that he is of extremely average size, strength, skating ability and compete level. He's not poor in any of those areas, but NHL scouts look at him and keep thinking how much more dangerous and effective he could be if he just tried a little harder, had an extra step and adds the extra mass that's expected before he hits his physical peak
http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2011/...s-matt-puempel

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Which OHL team owns Miller's rights? I remember seeing thathe was willing to skip his college commitment if that's what his NHL team wanted
I think Univ of North Dakota

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Just found it, Plymouth owns his rights.

Google led me to one of Rangerboy's post lol, go figure...

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Just found it, Plymouth owns his rights.

Google led me to one of Rangerboy's post lol, go figure...
Oops...I gave you his college commitment.

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Because, he was seriously injured.

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http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2011/...s-matt-puempel

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Isn't that the kind of stuff they said about Skinner in last years draft? Average size, average skater, just had a great shot, etc.

Though I think Skinner notably had a higher "compete level", and I'm not saying that Puempel would turn out as good as Skinner, just that sometimes those things aren't that important if the player can make up for them in other ways.

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I think Univ of North Dakota
Interesting...I didn't know that. So he'll be joining Grimaldi there. Two solid players.

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Isn't that the kind of stuff they said about Skinner in last years draft? Average size, average skater, just had a great shot, etc.

Though I think Skinner notably had a higher "compete level", and I'm not saying that Puempel would turn out as good as Skinner, just that sometimes those things aren't that important if the player can make up for them in other ways.
Well, I know Skinner makes up for all that because he's extremely strong on his skates and has a natural nose around the net.

I don't think Puempel has any of that though. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression he's one of those pure-scorer types who doesn't really bring anything else to the table, sort of like a Micheal Ryder-type.

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Isn't that the kind of stuff they said about Skinner in last years draft? Average size, average skater, just had a great shot, etc.

Though I think Skinner notably had a higher "compete level", and I'm not saying that Puempel would turn out as good as Skinner, just that sometimes those things aren't that important if the player can make up for them in other ways.
I have no clue as to why they would have considered Skinner's skating "average" -- his technical abilities are amazing.

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Isn't that the kind of stuff they said about Skinner in last years draft? Average size, average skater, just had a great shot, etc.

Though I think Skinner notably had a higher "compete level", and I'm not saying that Puempel would turn out as good as Skinner, just that sometimes those things aren't that important if the player can make up for them in other ways.
Compete level is very important. And can not be masked by skill.

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Here's a quick look at the rankings 1-30 from Redline, ISS, Central Scouting Domestic and Imports, hockeyprospect.com, and Future consideration. I would have added THN but I can't find the damn magazine.

Redline
1) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2) Gabriel Landeskog
3) Adam Larsson
4) Jonathan Huberdeau
5) Dougie Hamilton
6) Ryan Murphy
7) Ryan Strome
8) Sean Couturier
9) JT Miller
10) Rocco Grimaldi
11) Oscar Klefbom
12) Mark Scheifele
13) Alex Khokhlachev
14) Mika Zibanejad
15) Matt Puempel
16) Mark McNeill
17) David Musil
18) Nathan Beaulieu
19) Ty Rattie
20) Joel Armia
21) Brandon Saad
22) Niklas Jensen
23) Tyler Biggs
24) Duncan Siemens
25) Vladislav Nemetsnikov
26) Jonas Brodin
27) Sven Bartschi
28) Jamie Oleksiak
29) John Gibson
30) Joe Morrow

ISS
1) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2) Adam Larsson
3) Jonathan Huberdeau
4) Sean Couturier
5) Gabriel Landeskog
6) Douglas Hamilton
7) Mika Zibanejad
8) Ryan Murphy
9) Ryan Strome
10) Oscar Klefbom
11) Sven Bartschi
12) Duncan Siemens
13) Joel Armia
14) Nathan Beaulieu
15) Rocco Grimaldi
16) Jamie Oleksiak
17) JT Miller
18) Mark Scheifele
19) Connor Murphy
20) Jonas Brodin
21) Mark McNeill
22) Niklas Jensen
23) Alexandr Kokhlachev
24) Brandon Saad
25) Tomas Jurco
26) Victor Rask
27) David Musil
28) Ty Rattie
29) Matthew Puempel
30) Brett Richie

Cenral Scouting Domestic
1) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2) Gabriel Landeskog
3) Jonathan Huberdeau
4) Dougie Hamilton
5) Nathan Beaulieu
6) Sean Couturier
7) Sven Bartschi
8) Ryan Strome
9) Ryan Murphy
10) Duncan Siemens
11) Vladislav Namestnikov
12) Jospeh Morrow
13) Jamieson Oleksiak
14) Mark McNeill
15) Zach Phillips
16) Mark Scheifele
17) Ty Rattie
18) Boone Jenner
19) Brandon Saad
20) Tomas Jurco
21) Nicklas Jensen
22) Tyler Biggs
23) Jonathan Miller
24) Scott Mayfield
25) Connor Murphy
26) Shane Prince
27) Phillip Danault
28) Matt Puempel
29) Alexander Khokhlachev
30) Rickard Rackell

Centra Scouting International
1) Adam Larsson
2) Mika Zibanejad
3) Jonas Brodin
4) Joel Armia
5) Dmitri Jaskin
6) Oscar Klefbom
7) Mikka Salomaki
8) Joachim Nermark
9) Markus Granlund
10) Rasmus Bengsston
11) Gregory Hoffman
12) Victor Rask
13) Max Frieberg
14) Jeremy Boyce Rotevall
15) Karl Johansson
16) Alexander Ruutu
17) Nikita Kucherov
18) Zakhar Arzamastev
19) Joel Mustonen
20) Victor Arvedsson
21) William Karlsson
22) Victor Bergling
23) Klas Dahlbeck
24) Johan Sundstrom
25) Alexei Marchenko
26) Sergei Barbashev
27) Frederick Claesson
28) Sergei Shmelev
29) Adam Pettersson
30) Alessio Bertaggia


HockeyProspect.com
1) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2) Adam Larsson
3) Jonathan Huberdeau
4) Mika Zibanejad
5) Sean Couterier
6) Gabriel Landeskog
7) Ryan Murphy
8) Nathan Beaulieu
9) Ryan Strome
10) Mark McNeill
11) Ty Rattie
12) Boone Jenner
13) Sven Bartschi
14) Scott Mayfield
15) Oscar Klefbom
16) Jamie Oleksiak
17) Joe Morrow
18) Duncan Siemens
19) Stuart Percy
20) Jonas Brodin
21) Dougie Hamilton
22) Joel Armia
23) Matt Peumpel
24) Mark Scheifele
25) Brett Richie
26) Tyler Biggs
27) Brandon Saad
28) Ryan Sproul
29) Tomas Jurco
30) Vlady Namestnikov

Future Considerations
1) Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2) Jonathan Huberdeau
3) Gabriel Landeskog
4) Adam Larsson
5) Sean Coututier
6) Dougie Hamilton
7) Ryan Murphy
8) Ryan Strome
9) Nathan Beaulieu
10) Mike Zibanejad
11) Duncan Siemens
12) Mark McNeill
13) Mark Scheifele
14) Rocco Grimaldi
15) Jonas Brodin
16) Matt Puempel
17) Jamie Oleksiak
18) Joel Armia
19) Vladislav Namestnikov
20) Brandon Saad
21) Niklas Jensen
22) Tyler Biggs
23) John Gibson
24) Oscar Klefbom
25) Sven Bartschi
26) Dmitri Jaskin
27) Zach Phillips
28) Boone Jenner
29) Joe Morrow
30) Jonathan Miller

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Don't see the Rangers drafting any of those players except for Klefbom.

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Mark McNeill interests me. He seems like a guy that would be on our radar, too. From what I read anyway, I have never seen him play. Looking at those rankings, he should be right around our neighborhood. If there are no major falls (I guess some would say McNeill available at 15th could be a minor fall, just by looking at rankings) would most of you be satisfied with McNeill?

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