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06-14-2011, 09:55 PM
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Columbus-Vancouver

To Vancouver

J Voracek

To Columbus
C Schneider
rights to C Erhoff
conditional pick based on Erhoff resigning edit: errr signing...


Thoughts?


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Absolutely terrible , you should be ashamed of you're self. Delete you're account , and go follow golf.

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To Vancouver

J Voracek

To Columbus
C Schneider
rights to C Erhoff
conditional pick based on Erhoff resigning


Thoughts?
No way does Columbus trade Voracek for a goalie and rights to a player for 2 weeks,

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a back up Goalie and an UFA's rights for a 50 pt 21 yr old winger....its not that bad...

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To Vancouver

J Voracek

To Columbus
C Schneider
rights to C Erhoff
conditional pick based on Erhoff resigning


Thoughts?
IMO depends on what the conditional pick is.....maybe a conditional 2nd. I mean Schneider is a back up at the moment....... could be an improvement over mason

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06-14-2011, 10:03 PM
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Awful for Columbus.

Schneider is going to be an excellent goaltender, but they have Steve Mason -- they're not going to trade a 21 year old top-6 winger for a goaltending question mark -- no one in this league would take that deal from Columbus' perspective.

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06-14-2011, 10:23 PM
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To Vancouver

J Voracek

To Columbus
C Schneider
rights to C Erhoff
conditional pick based on Erhoff resigning edit: errr signing...


Thoughts?
Counter- Voracek for Schneider and Ballard
I think that would be fair but Ehrhoff wouldn't sign unless Columbus grossly overpays. Schneider is going to be an allstar caliber goalie top 5 imo. Than you can trade Mason for a team need. Ballard is a good puck mover but never found his groove this season. He was coming off hip surgery and had a concussion mid season and AV didn't like him off the bat because he refused to play the right side. There isn't a doubt in my mind he'd bounce back and have a good season next year. Especially with a coach like Scott Arniel.

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Absolutely terrible , you should be ashamed of you're self. Delete you're account , and go follow golf.
How is this so bad......Since when did great goalies become players with no value....their important....as much as Philly will try and tell you otherwise.

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How is this so bad
No one is trading a proven, 21 year old top-6 winger for a 25 year old unproven goaltender.

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......Since when did great goalies become players with no value
Schneider is a "great" goaltender? He has never even played in a full NHL season.

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....their important....as much as Philly will try and tell you otherwise.
They are important, but considering that Columbus already has a potential #1 goaltender (Steve Mason), they're not going to move Voracek to add another.

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No one is trading a proven, 21 year old top-6 winger for a 25 year old unproven goaltender.



Schneider is a "great" goaltender? He has never even played in a full NHL season.



They are important, but considering that Columbus already has a potential #1 goaltender (Steve Mason), they're not going to move Voracek to add another.
Agree with most of what you say but in terms of technical ability....I dont see many better in the league...Miller....maybe. If it were up to me the Canucks would trade Luongo. Schneider is going to be better. If they dont have confidence in Mason and Schneider is going to be better you can trade Mason for a young defenseman.

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Schneider is a "great" goaltender? He has never even played in a full NHL season.


I don't think any goalie has played 82 games in a season.

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Agree with most of what you say but in terms of technical ability....I dont see many better in the league...Miller....maybe. If it were up to me the Canucks would trade Luongo. Schneider is going to be better. If they dont have confidence in Mason and Schneider is going to be better you can trade Mason for a young defenseman.
Have you seen what goalies fetch in trades? They certainly don't fetch 21 year old wingers with as much potential as Voracek has.

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Add hodgson and 2nd.

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No one is trading a proven, 21 year old top-6 winger for a 25 year old unproven goaltender.



Schneider is a "great" goaltender? He has never even played in a full NHL season.



They are important, but
considering that Columbus already has a potential #1 goaltender (Steve Mason), they're not going
to move Voracek to add another.
Have you even seen Mason lately? He lost His job to Garon!!! Wow

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Can we get a do-over on this idea? How about we just trade for Ehrhoff's rights for our 2011 3rd?

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Have you even seen Mason lately? He lost His job to Garon!!! Wow
Mason has plenty of time to improve on his game -- he was phenomenal when the Blue Jackets were actually a respectable team. Garon wasn't too hot, either.

Mason has the raw tools to be a legitimate #1 goaltender in this league -- he's a bit of a risk, but with proper coaching, he will be the Jackets #1 'tender a few years down the road.

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Have you even seen Mason lately? He lost His job to Garon!!! Wow
Yes, but that doesn't mean that the next hot rookie goaltender would be immediately accepted as the answer to that problem.

Trust me; I got more than enough flames when I was suggesting Lindback instead of Schneider.

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Have you even seen Mason lately? He lost His job to Garon!!! Wow
Apparently YOU haven't watched Garon lately. He was extremely good during the stint that Mason lost the starting role. Was one of the league leaders in GAA and sv% for a little while.

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Yes, but that doesn't mean that the next hot rookie goaltender would be immediately accepted as the answer to that problem.

Trust me; I got more than enough flames when I was suggesting Lindback instead of Schneider.
Yeah, but Mason was a one year wonder, Schneider has been dominant at every level

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Apparently YOU haven't watched Garon lately. He was extremely good during the stint that Mason lost the starting role. Was one of the league leaders in GAA and sv% for a little while.
Any goaltender can go on a hotstreak. How exactly long did he lead? But if you guys want you can keep going with Mason, I'm sure the Canucks will be more than happy to keep Schneider

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Yeah, but Mason was a one year wonder, Schneider has been dominant at every level
So was Mike Dunham, for whom there are numerous parallels.

- Both drafted at age 18 before going to play college hockey
- Both split duties as freshmen with a veteran (Dunham with Garth Snow, Schneider with Kaltiainen)
- Both played in a national championship as juniors; for both, it was the last game of their college career
- Both played twice in the WJC for Team USA
- Both acted as a backup in their first year in the AHL, as a firmly-entrenched NHL starter meant that there was no rush (Dunham behind Brodeur, Schneider behind Luongo)
- Both looked dominant in short bursts as the starter....

And here is where the paths split. Dunham was so highly-regarded that New Jersey pulled an end-around to prevent him from hitting free agency, then lost him in the expansion draft a year later anyway. He had a couple of pretty good years, a couple of bad ones, and never became the longtime dominant starter that he was supposed to be.

Is Schneider really a different story?


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So Voracek for Schneider?

Awful. I don't think Gillis would have the guts to say that offer over the phone. He has more pride than that offer.

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So Voracek for Schneider?

Awful. I don't think Gillis would have the guts to say that offer over the phone. He has more pride than that offer.
I thought he had more guts than to publicly whine about officiating, but I was wrong about that too...

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Yeah, but Mason was a one year wonder, Schneider has been dominant at every level

If you really think Schneider would make a big difference on the Blue Jackets, you probably haven't watched many (if any) Blue Jacket games.

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guess i just see it as if Erhoff is willing to sign with us we got two needs solved for a spot that we can replace later either thru FA or another trade

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