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07-01-2011, 05:50 AM
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Simple really. New Jersey''s implosion was an anomaly, and with the likelihood of Parise back. They will compete at the expected capacity we have known from them. Buffalo has been aggressively adding to their core and played significantly well devoid of arguably their best player in Roy. We have replaced Wisniewski with Markov and not really done anything else. Much as I do believe Markov will makes us better, we have been outmaneuvered by other teams. Of course, this is purely on paper and who knows what happens during the season but anyone claiming we are a cup contending team next season has sniffed a few too many markers.
Newsflash, July 1st is today, not last week, and we can count on ONE hand the number of player rights traded.

You simply have GAGE syndrome.

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07-01-2011, 08:35 AM
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true, but they also added Regehr... so, Regehr, Myers, Ehroff, thats a solid top 3 IMO.
The Sabres have a very nice looking d-corps:

Regehr
Myers
Ehrhoff
Leopold
Gragnani
Sekera

Arguably the best in the Northeast, IMO (not to take away anything from the Habs, seeing as we can still pick someone up potentially)

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07-01-2011, 08:40 AM
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The Sabres have a very nice looking d-corps:

Regehr
Myers
Ehrhoff
Leopold
Gragnani
Sekera

Arguably the best in the Northeast, IMO (not to take away anything from the Habs, seeing as we can still pick someone up potentially)
But i still get the feeling that they heavily rely on a healthy Miller. I know he has been getting a few injuries in the last seasons. But yes i agree that defense is very nice looking, i wonder how active they will be today.

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07-01-2011, 09:05 AM
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Does the conditional 5th still apply if Wiz signs with CBJ after UFA time?

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07-01-2011, 09:09 AM
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The Sabres have a very nice looking d-corps:

Regehr
Myers
Ehrhoff
Leopold
Gragnani
Sekera

Arguably the best in the Northeast, IMO (not to take away anything from the Habs, seeing as we can still pick someone up potentially)
Habs have a better top 2 D though.

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07-01-2011, 09:17 AM
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Habs have a better top 2 D though.
Debatable. Markov is better than Ehrhoff...when healthy of course. That's key. Myers is better than Subban.

Regehr and Leopold are a lot better than Gorges and Yemelin. That's the big difference.

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For what its worth Eklund is saying Wiz is close to be signed in Columbus.

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For what its worth Eklund is saying Wiz is close to be signed in Columbus.
I hope so, we'd get a pick and keep him away from Detroit...who'd be chasing White or Kaberle.

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07-01-2011, 09:25 AM
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Debatable. Markov is better than Ehrhoff...when healthy of course. That's key. Myers is better than Subban.

Regehr and Leopold are a lot better than Gorges and Yemelin. That's the big difference.
Mayers is better defensively, but he isn't in PK's stratosphere skillwise. PK outscored him despite only getting about 1/3 to 1/4 #1 pp time and being benched early in the year.

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Does the conditional 5th still apply if Wiz signs with CBJ after UFA time?
yea I think the condition was if he signed with cbj before the season started it would still go to a 5th

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07-01-2011, 09:26 AM
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Debatable. Markov is better than Ehrhoff...when healthy of course. That's key. Myers is better than Subban.

Regehr and Leopold are a lot better than Gorges and Yemelin. That's the big difference.
That's highly debatable. They're different players. Sure Subban doesn't have Myers' reach, nor his size, but Myers doesn't have Subban's speed and mobility. Also, talent-wise, Subban is way more versatile and complete, while Myers relies more on his size. It's a bit like comparing Chara to Lidstrom. I'd prefer the latter, and I will always prefer talent vs size.

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07-01-2011, 09:27 AM
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yea I think the condition was if he signed with cbj before the season started it would still go to a 5th
Ok I see. Thanks.

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07-01-2011, 09:35 AM
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Mayers is better defensively, but he isn't in PK's stratosphere skillwise. PK outscored him despite only getting about 1/3 to 1/4 #1 pp time and being benched early in the year.
Myers' GAA this season was 3,07 (92 GA on 1797 minutes)
In his rookie season, his GAA was 2,71 (88GA 1947 minutes)

Subban was 2,38 (68 GA on 1714 minutes) in his rookie season, along with notable Ds like Lidstrom, Weber, Chara, who all had between 2,30 and 2,40 GAA.

Both played in front of a top 5 goalie in their rookie season, yet Subban's GAA is much lower.

PK's defensive skills are HIGHLY underated. He's extremely hard to beat 1-on-1, sees the play very well, and second guess a lot of players, more than Myers.

I'd take PK over Myers any day of the week. Far more complete.

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Myers' GAA this season was 3,07 (92 GA on 1797 minutes)
In his rookie season, his GAA was 2,71 (88GA 1947 minutes)

Subban was 2,38 (68 GA on 1714 minutes) in his rookie season, along with notable Ds like Lidstrom, Weber, Chara, who all had between 2,30 and 2,40 GAA.

Both played in front of a top 5 goalie in their rookie season, yet Subban's GAA is much lower.

PK's defensive skills are HIGHLY underated. He's extremely hard to beat 1-on-1, sees the play very well, and second guess a lot of players, more than Myers.
PK probably got easier matchups on average though. For half the year he wasn't facing top lines.

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That's highly debatable. They're different players. Sure Subban doesn't have Myers' reach, nor his size, but Myers doesn't have Subban's speed and mobility. Also, talent-wise, Subban is way more versatile and complete, while Myers relies more on his size. It's a bit like comparing Chara to Lidstrom. I'd prefer the latter, and I will always prefer talent vs size.
He outscored Myers by one point despite Myers having a very poor start to the season. Look at Myers' rookie season, 10 more points than PK, 25 more points than the 2nd place defenceman, Steve Montador.

I love PK, but Myers is definitely better at this point in time.

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James Wisniewski s'entend avec les #bluejackets. Détails ŕ venir. Wisniewski signed with Columbus.
Twitter for BlackBerry® • 7/1/11 10:49

Per Renaud Lavoie.

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James Wisniewski s'entend avec les #bluejackets. Détails ŕ venir. Wisniewski signed with Columbus.
Twitter for BlackBerry® • 7/1/11 10:49
woohoo, 5th round pick!

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James Wisniewski s'entend avec les #bluejackets. Détails ŕ venir. Wisniewski signed with Columbus.
Twitter for BlackBerry® • 7/1/11 10:49

Per Renaud Lavoie.
Cool, so we get back a 5th for next year for the Wiz, after losing a 5th to trade for the Wiz. Guess things have come full circle. I think it sucks we lost him though, was really hoping he would be back.

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They signed wiz, and talks with hejda fell through

wiz 6yr 33 mill...
P. R. Levoie (sp)

no thx. CLB got what they needed... But we did not need a wiz type for that rate.

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Confirming James Wisniewski to CBJ for 6 years at $33M.
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5.5 cap hit, no thx kk bye

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Confirming James Wisniewski to CBJ for 6 years at $33M.
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Wow. What a price and contract length. WOW!

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lol wow. Thanks for the 5th!

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It's moments like these that makes me realize I am HAPPY Markov was resigned earlier.

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Debatable. Markov is better than Ehrhoff...when healthy of course. That's key. Myers is better than Subban.

Regehr and Leopold are a lot better than Gorges and Yemelin. That's the big difference.
Yemelin hasn't played a game yet, and Leopold has been quite inconsistent throughout his career which is why he moved around so much. He just had a career year in terms of production, we'll see how he tops that off this season.

I wouldn't say that Myers is better than Subban either, especially not last year where he struggled a whole lot. I'd say they're pretty much even.

Also, we still don't know the line combinations.
I know Yemelin is a rookie, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him throw him right next to Markov just to see how he handles himself.
Then you can have Gill-PK again, and you'd have Spacek-Gorges.

You could also have Markov-PK, Gill-Gorges, Spacek-Weber/Emelin.

There is a multitude of possible scenarios.

All in all, I think it's pretty even and will depend on individual seasons.

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PK probably got easier matchups on average though. For half the year he wasn't facing top lines.
From my website that tracks such things Myers did get the toughest compitition but Buffalo didn't do the heavy match up game on defense that Montreal did. Their quality of competition metrics come to about the same across the board except Subban started in the defenseive vs offensive zone about 5% more, so if anything Subban had the tougher job.

Main thing with Myers is he was cursed with .905 goaltending at even strength which is horrific but Subban only got .911 so it doesn't make a big difference.

They were both some of the best puck possesion defenders in the league with Subban having a RelCorsi of 10.3 (8th in the league) compared to Myers 11.1 (7th in the league) but Subban had a better actual corsi just Montreal was stronger than Buffalo by that metric.

The main difference between the two is that Myers teamates shot at 8.34% compared to Subban's teamates shooting at 6.62% resulting in better even strength offense for Myers.

By the advanced metrics Subban/Myers is basically a wash. They are even less than a year apart in age.

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