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06-20-2011, 12:41 PM
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For Pouliot, if a team is interested, I think a 2nd round pick is about right.
Would YOU trade your 2nd round pick for Benoit Pouliot??

it will horn via a package deal, a 4th-5th round draft pick or simply let go, that's it.

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06-20-2011, 01:00 PM
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Would YOU trade your 2nd round pick for Benoit Pouliot??
Yeah, if I needed a soft minutes scoring winger. Pouliot can perform in a limited role. Most 2nd round picks don't end up sticking in the NHL. Don't let your imagination get carried away with you - just because the 2nd round produces one Subban or Stastny in a draft, doesn't mean that's the value of the pick.

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06-20-2011, 01:16 PM
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For Pouliot, if a team is interested, I think a 2nd round pick is about right.

As for Weber, I don't know why you'd trade him. But, if you did, I think you should be able to get a mid-late 1st round pick. After all, Weber is on track to become what you'd hope 1st rounders like Brodin and Morrow develop into, no? A 2nd pair dman who can contribute on the PP? A few years of potential pitfalls have already been avoided.

The caveat being, if the Habs were shopping Weber, there would be a reason, some flaw in his character or game. So, his price might drop to a 2nd rounder. But as there doesn't seem to be that extreme flaw, and the Habs don't seem to have any reason to trade him, the point seems moot.
Pouliot might get a 4th pick in return, if we get a 3rd for him then we should worship PG and declare him the best Gm ever.

Weber could fetch a 2nd rounder or very late first, I doubt we get a mid 1st rounder for him.

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06-20-2011, 01:31 PM
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Would YOU trade your 2nd round pick for Benoit Pouliot??

it will horn via a package deal, a 4th-5th round draft pick or simply let go, that's it.
A winger who put up 30pts in his first full NHL season is worth at least a 3rd rounder.

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How can Biggs be a boom or bust when he's considered one of the safest picks in the draft? As for Saad, I really don't like his offensive upside (or lack of)
What's safe about a player with no offensive upside?

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06-20-2011, 01:45 PM
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What's safe about a player with no offensive upside?
What's safe? You know what you're getting precisely. A 3rd line grinder.

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06-20-2011, 05:03 PM
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Wasn't Xavier Ouellet once considered to be a possible first rounder or am I thinking of somebody else? What happened to him?

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06-20-2011, 05:11 PM
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Wasn't Xavier Ouellet once considered to be a possible first rounder or am I thinking of somebody else? What happened to him?
We could never draft him, his name is not French enough

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We could never draft him, his name is not French enough
I mean people talk about him as a possible 3rd rounder now...come to think of it wasn't he draft elligible last year?

I'm sorry I feel really confused right now.

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If you want a 3rd line full of scrubs, sure.
Exactly why I'd be pissed if we drafted Biggs.

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06-20-2011, 05:52 PM
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Pre draft list

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1.Mark Scheifele
Big right handed center, put up great numbers on a weak team. It was his rookie season in the OHL and had previously dominated the GOJHL so his progress is on a linear upswing. Had a great showing at the U-18s. I cannot find any glaring weakness on any report I've read on him.

2.Joel Armia
Big scoring winger, put up great numbers in Finland's top league. Has all the tools to become a superstar at the NHL level. His consistency is questioned in numerous reports, this is why I rank Scheifele ahead of him.

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1.William Karlsson
Most productive U-18 player in the SuperElite league this past season. Earned a stint in Sweden's 2nd league (Allsvenkan) where he produced at the same pace as more highly touted Victor Rask. Had a great U-18 where he was used in all situations. Has a projectable frame. Had almost exact same goal production as Loui Eriksson at the same age.

2.Xavier Ouellet
Played in MTL's background so they should know everything about him. Best scoring D out of the Q (for draft eligible players). Had great playoffs. A lot of potential. Projectable pro frame.

113
Nikita Kucherov
Blew the competition away in the MHL (as the best U-18 player with an incredible 1.41 points per game, closest competitor being 0.98). Blew the competition away at the U-18 (3pts per game!). Had a very solid 2 pts in 8 games in the KHL (best U-18 player). Without a doubt worth the gamble at this point in the draft.

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Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Dominated his Gatineau team (season and playoffs). His coach drew comparisons between him and Giroux (he coached both). Small player with a style similar to Daniel Briere. Has the potential to overcome his size and become an important player in the NHL.


168
Thomas Spelling
Had a terrific season in Denmark's top league. As a comparable his 29 pts in 39 games is better than Hansen (19 in 35) and Regin (20 in 33). And both of these players have carved a niche on their respective clubs. Spelling is a also a big winger. He excelled internationnally. Potential steal.


198
Niklas Kekki
Best U-18 goalie in the Jr-A league in Finland (yes, better than Samu Perhonen). He had a .926 save percentage while his backups combined for an average of .881 which is a very good indicator of his dominance. Will fall to this spot because of his small stature (5'10" 154). Could be a Halak-esque pick.
I am all with you, Mark Scheifele or Armia will make my day... my summer

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06-20-2011, 05:56 PM
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Gotta say Grimaldi is intriguing despite his lack of size.

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06-20-2011, 06:34 PM
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Scheifele,Jensen,Jenner or Khokhlachev any player that has talent,desire and leadership qualities like these guys can't miss.I prefer the little Russian one that has gained 18 lbs.of muscle this season and was the top rookie scorer in the playoffs (OHL)and was days away from being a 2012 draftee.

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06-20-2011, 06:41 PM
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I doubt Kucherov falls to 113, but if he does, that's a hell of a player to pick in the 4th! I think he'll be gone by the end of the second, that's why I want the Habs to trade down (maybe twice). Besides picking Kucherov (future Semin clone if he comes over?) there should plenty of interesting players to pick from at the end of the first/early second.

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06-20-2011, 07:25 PM
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Bob McKenzie Draft Special on in 5 minutes.

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Bob McKenzie says that the Top 9 for the draft is pretty concrete. Also, 9/10 scouts had RNH 1st Overall.

EDM 1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
COL 2. Adam Larsson
FLA 3. Jonathan Huberdeau
NJD 4. Gabriel Landeskog (Who I still say I would take first overall)
NYI 5. Sean Couturier
OTT 6. Dougie Hamilton
WPG 7. Ryan Strome
CBJ 8. Ryan Murphy
BOS 9. Mika Zibanejad (OH GOD NO!)
MIN 10. Jonas Brodin (First Surprise)

COL 11. Nathan Beaulieu
CAR 12. Mark Scheifele (Grrrrrr)
CGY 13. Duncan Siemens
DAL 14. Joel Armia
NYR 15. Tyler Biggs
BUF 16. Sven Bartschi
MTL 17. Jamie Oleksiak
CHI 18. JT Miller
EDM 19. Mark McNeill
PHX 20. Joe Morrow

OTT 21. Oscar Klefbom
ANA 22. Brandon Saad
PIT 23. Rocco Grimaldi
DET 24. Nicklas Jensen
TOR 25. Ty Rattie
WSH 26. Boone Jenner
TBL 27. Matt Puempel
SJS 28. Zack Phillips
VAN 29. Tomas Jurco
TOR 30. Connor Murphy


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06-20-2011, 07:53 PM
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Morrow and biggs before grimaldi?

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Bob McKenzie says that the Top 9 for the draft is pretty concrete. Also, 9/10 scouts had RNH 1st Overall.

EDM 1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
COL 2. Adam Larsson
FLA 3. Jonathan Huberdeau
NJD 4. Gabriel Landeskog (Who I still say I would take first overall)
NYI 5. Sean Couturier
OTT 6. Dougie Hamilton
WPG 7. Ryan Strome
CBJ 8. Ryan Murphy
BOS 9. Mika Zibanejad (OH GOD NO!)
MIN 10. Jonas Brodin (First Surprise)

COL 11. Nathan Beaulieu
CAR 12. Mark Scheifele (Grrrrrr)
CGY 13. Duncan Siemens
DAL 14. Joel Armia
NYR 15. Tyler Biggs
BUF 16. Sven Bartschi
MTL 17. Jamie Oleksiak
CHI 18. JT Miller
EDM 19. Mark McNeill
PHX 20. Joe Morrow

OTT 21.
ANA 22.
PIT 23.
DET 24.
TOR 25.
WSH 26.
TBL 27.
SJS 28.
VAN 29.
TOR 30.
I was quite agigtated by that myself, I kept saying to my brother please let schiefele be at 17

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Bob McKenzie says that the Top 9 for the draft is pretty concrete. Also, 9/10 scouts had RNH 1st Overall.

EDM 1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
COL 2. Adam Larsson
FLA 3. Jonathan Huberdeau
NJD 4. Gabriel Landeskog (Who I still say I would take first overall)
NYI 5. Sean Couturier
OTT 6. Dougie Hamilton
WPG 7. Ryan Strome
CBJ 8. Ryan Murphy
BOS 9. Mika Zibanejad (OH GOD NO!)
MIN 10. Jonas Brodin (First Surprise)

COL 11. Nathan Beaulieu
CAR 12. Mark Scheifele (Grrrrrr)
CGY 13. Duncan Siemens
DAL 14. Joel Armia
NYR 15. Tyler Biggs
BUF 16. Sven Bartschi
MTL 17. Jamie Oleksiak
CHI 18. JT Miller
EDM 19. Mark McNeill
PHX 20. Joe Morrow
McKenzie usually has a strong list, if the first 16 picks go the way he has listed I hope the Habs choose Klefbom or McNeill. I think Klefbom could really surprise as he matures and gets stronger. He's my pick.

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06-20-2011, 07:56 PM
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what about weber and our first for calgarys pick if schiefle is still there

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Biggs at 15 is

Looks like the McIlrath pick.

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McKenzie usually has a strong list, if the first 16 picks go the way he has listed I hope the Habs choose Klefbom or McNeill. I think Klefbom could really surprise as he matures and gets stronger. He's my pick.
I agree, if Scheifele is off the board, my focus definitely shifts to Klefbom. Such a complete defenseman.

To illustrate how frustrating these ranking are for me:

In the Fall: "This Jonathan Huberdeau guy is sick, would be a great late-round pick for the Habs!"

Mid-season: "Well since Huberdeau is a superstar now, this Zibanejad kid would be a great mid-to-late round pick for the Habs."

Recently: "Well Zibanejad is out of reach, but this Scheifele kid could be a steal at 17!"



Why do the players I like have to be so good!?!

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what about weber and our first for calgarys pick if schiefle is still there
Weber should bump you up more than 4 picks that for damn sure. If we packaged Weber and the 17th, I'd want 8-10 range.

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I agree, if Scheifele is off the board, my focus definitely shifts to Klefbom. Such a complete defenseman.

To illustrate how frustrating these ranking are for me:

In the Fall: "This Jonathan Huberdeau guy is sick, would be a great late-round pick for the Habs!"

Mid-season: "Well since Huberdeau is a superstar now, this Zibanejad kid would be a great mid-to-late round pick for the Habs."

Recently: "Well Zibanejad is out of reach, but this Scheifele kid could be a steal at 17!"



Why do the players I like have to be so good!?!
The McNeill kid is gonna be something.

Book it.

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Biggs at 15 is

Looks like the McIlrath pick.
Some players I just do not get the hype around. Similarly, someone has to explain what's so special about this JT Miller guy. Or Boone Jenner. So mehzy!

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