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10-28-2011, 06:50 PM
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Why not signed Marc-Andre Bergeron to a 5M per year???
Probably the best D right now in the league.

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10-28-2011, 06:52 PM
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sure there is a comparison. They are both a waste of money, they underachieve, and the fact that JB plays so many minutes with so little points is pathetic, just like Gomez. You're reading too far into it. Just because he plays top minutes does not make him a 7 million dollar investment. Its a joke. There are lots of cheaper dmen out there who are far better defensively and can score just as much or almost as many points as JB.
Points aren't everything my friend. A 25 minute a night dman carries plenty more value than Gomez, is he overpiad, sure, but not nearly as bad as our 38 point 1st line center who led the team with the worst +/-. Bouwmeester is overpaid, he is not bad, Gomez is overpaid and not good. See the difference?

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10-28-2011, 07:01 PM
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Points aren't everything my friend. A 25 minute a night dman carries plenty more value than Gomez, is he overpiad, sure, but not nearly as bad as our 38 point 1st line center who led the team with the worst +/-. Bouwmeester is overpaid, he is not bad, Gomez is overpaid and not good. See the difference?
I see your point. But why would you want Bouwmeester on this team, when we can get someone who can play 18-25 mins a game for far less money?..Someone who can be just as good D wise.

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I see your point. But why would you want Bouwmeester on this team, when we can get someone who can play 18-25 mins a game for far less money?..Someone who can be just as good D wise.
I don't necessarily want Bouwmeester, but if it meant ridding ourselves of Gomez, I don't think any reasonable GM would refuse.

25 minute dman don't grow on trees. You make it sound like any dman can play 25minutes a night, which simply isn't true. They are few and far between.

7 goal, 38 point declining centers are much easier to find.

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10-28-2011, 07:54 PM
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I don't necessarily want Bouwmeester, but if it meant ridding ourselves of Gomez, I don't think any reasonable GM would refuse.

25 minute dman don't grow on trees. You make it sound like any dman can play 25minutes a night, which simply isn't true. They are few and far between.

7 goal, 38 point declining centers are much easier to find.
I know it isn't true, but we can get someone better that can play 20 mins a game and out young d core can eat up the rest of the mins. They are proving themselves.

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10-28-2011, 08:16 PM
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I know it isn't true, but we can get someone better that can play 20 mins a game and out young d core can eat up the rest of the mins. They are proving themselves.
The idea is that to get rid of Gomez, Bouwmeester would be a great deal, awesome deal actualy. If Jbo was a free agent tomorrow there is no way he'd get that kind of money.

Gomez is very bad at hockey and he makes half a milion more then this very good defencemen who's also overpaid.

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10-28-2011, 09:30 PM
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His offensive output disagrees.
While Bouwmeester's offensive numbers have fallen, he's still an excellent skater, a big body who can move the puck well and plays in all situations. As a matter of fact, he spends more time on the ice per game than any Habs defenseman (a bit more than Subban) and that, considering that he doesn't spend a lot of time on the PP.

Again, no one is saying that he's not overpaid here, but it doesn't take away what he does well.

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10-28-2011, 09:42 PM
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Jay Bouwmeester is great defensively. We don't have a defenceman (or a forward for that matter) who can shut down the opposition's elite players. Bouwmeester could do that. I'd probably trade more than just Gomez to bring him over.

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10-28-2011, 09:58 PM
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Jay Bouwmeester is great defensively. We don't have a defenceman (or a forward for that matter) who can shut down the opposition's elite players. Bouwmeester could do that. I'd probably trade more than just Gomez to bring him over.
for the last time hes not great defensively. People here are using the fact that he plays a lot of minutes, which means hes great on D...Not always the case. Theres a reason why nobody in calgary likes him that much and when I go to games fans yell impostor at him lol


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If JayBo comes here, Montreal will go crazy with excitement until they finally see him play one game and will want him traded or buried in the minors.

If we trade Gomez for Jaybo, we are trading a problem for a problem in salary.

The point to trade Gomez is to dump the salary.

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10-28-2011, 11:49 PM
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for the last time hes not great defensively. People here are using the fact that he plays a lot of minutes, which means hes great on D...Not always the case. Theres a reason why nobody in calgary likes him that much and when I go to games fans yell impostor at him lol
He's so bad that the coaching staff uses him almost 25 minutes a game! Fans are on his case because of his salary, because of his lack of offensive production, saying he's not worth what they're paying him for. I watch him play and he'd be our best defensive defenseman. Still not worth his salary though (for the record).

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10-29-2011, 12:59 AM
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gomez for jbo= trading one problem for another.

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10-29-2011, 01:34 AM
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for the last time hes not great defensively. People here are using the fact that he plays a lot of minutes, which means hes great on D...Not always the case. Theres a reason why nobody in calgary likes him that much and when I go to games fans yell impostor at him lol
I have only heard that he has been outstanding defensively.

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10-29-2011, 08:37 AM
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JayBo is really good defensively, offensively he could be better, he has the tools, but he doesn't use them often enough. Hes a gifted passer, likes to go on the rush, and has somewhat of a shot, he can also hit hard, the problem is hes a little too passive so he doesn't.

However his 6.5 Mil vs Gomez 7 is worth it. Jay Bo is a top pairing D, he atleast plays like something close to his contract, and he has all the tools, with a good system he can do great things, while Gomez on the other hand seems to be on the end of his rope, even though he looks better I just don't see him as a 2nd line center, and that is a problem. Bigger problem having Gomez over Jaybo imo, people hating on him before we even acquire him.

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10-29-2011, 08:52 AM
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We are not getting Jay Bowmeester. Sheesh, this is absolutely ridiculous.

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gomez for jbo= trading one problem for another.
This would be the only way that could happen...and it's highly unlikely...remember it's Eklund.

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J-Bo would get eaten alive in Montreal. The guy is very shy and hates attention and the spotlight. Would be a terrible fit.

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PG should target a team like Dallas. They got the lowest cap hit in the league and they are doing well so far but could use another center. So him for picks/prospects there could sorta work?

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J-Bo would get eaten alive in Montreal. The guy is very shy and hates attention and the spotlight. Would be a terrible fit.
But, he would be an excellent partner for Markov much like Komisarek was, only he would be a smoother skater and better first pass player than Kommy ever was.

Price was a shy and quiet kid once too, he certainly has come out of his shell and has become a vocal player in the room and in front of the media too.

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If this trade is in the works, and that remains to be seen, I believe that it is worth doing. At the very least, I think that JayBo is more tradeable than Gomez. If Campbell could be traded, so can JayBo, especially if a team sees its defence corps become decimated. I don't see anyone trading for Gomez if their center corps gets hit with injuries.

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Guys lets get real here. No team is going to trade for Scott Gomez unless they are sending an equally awful salary our way (and i would argue there is no such thing).

We basically have two options with Gomez:

1) Buy Out:

Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com (cap hit):

* 2012-13: $3,523,810
* 2013-14: $4,523,810
* 2014-15: $1,666,667
* 2015-16: $1,666,667

Actual cost to buy-out is approx. $6.67 million.

Not as bad of an option as i would have thought. The buyout is significant in the first two seasons, but at least Gomez is gone from the organization and you are left with approx. $3 million per season to spend on a replacement. You get huge savings in years 3 and 4.

2) Minors:

Actual cost: $10 million (over 2 seasons)

Molson would have to shell out an addition $3.33 million with this option, but it opens up $7.357 in salary starting next season. Thats more than enough money for the Habs to add a 2/3 line forward and a top 4 d-man.

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Guys lets get real here. No team is going to trade for Scott Gomez unless they are sending an equally awful salary our way (and i would argue there is no such thing).

We basically have two options with Gomez:

1) Buy Out:

Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com (cap hit):

* 2012-13: $3,523,810
* 2013-14: $4,523,810
* 2014-15: $1,666,667
* 2015-16: $1,666,667

Actual cost to buy-out is approx. $6.67 million.

Not as bad of an option as i would have thought. The buyout is significant in the first two seasons, but at least Gomez is gone from the organization and you are left with approx. $3 million per season to spend on a replacement. You get huge savings in years 3 and 4.

2) Minors:

Actual cost: $10 million (over 2 seasons)

Molson would have to shell out an addition $3.33 million with this option, but it opens up $7.357 in salary starting next season. Thats more than enough money for the Habs to add a 2/3 line forward and a top 4 d-man.
Why can't people realize some teams can't afford to spend to the salary cap minimum, getting Gomez after this season is over let's them save over $4 million in salary.

Gomez as a 3rd line center saving you $2 million a year is not that bad. At worse just have him as your 13th forward and you are still $4 million richer.

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Why can't people realize some teams can't afford to spend to the salary cap minimum, getting Gomez after this season is over let's them save over $4 million in salary.

Gomez as a 3rd line center saving you $2 million a year is not that bad. At worse just have him as your 13th forward and you are still $4 million richer.
How about we wait and see what the new CBA will look like? It will greatly impact what we do with Gomez.

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But, he would be an excellent partner for Markov much like Komisarek was, only he would be a smoother skater and better first pass player than Kommy ever was.

Price was a shy and quiet kid once too, he certainly has come out of his shell and has become a vocal player in the room and in front of the media too.
J-Bo and Markov are both left D. It would be more likely that J-Bo would be Subban's partner and Markov would play with Gorges/Emelin. It would also mean we can move Gill out.

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But, he would be an excellent partner for Markov much like Komisarek was, only he would be a smoother skater and better first pass player than Kommy ever was.

Price was a shy and quiet kid once too, he certainly has come out of his shell and has become a vocal player in the room and in front of the media too.
Right, and Price went through a huge number of tests before getting where he is. Not everybody would have made it.

That being said, JayBo plays in CGY, where hockey is very important as well. I know it's always more crazy in TO and MTL, but at least he's had a little taste of Canadian crazy hockey.

I strongly doubt he will be moved. Their D would lose their #1, so unless it means giving one or more of our young prospects on top of Gomez, he wouldn't be coming here. I'm not so sure I want to move any of our defensive prospects, especially considering they've all played well and aren't the reason of our problem.
I also believed they wouldn't have moved Regher if they intended on moving JayBo this year.

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