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06-25-2011, 03:47 PM
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Jussi Jokinen to PIT

Pens have more than enough available cap space... What do you think?

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JR actually said today that resigning Pitkanen and Jokinen is hopeful.

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don't see it happening (unless malkin is traded)

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He would be a nice fit. A line of Neal - Malkin - Jokinen would be sick.

However, would Ray Shero be willing to sign him to a contract in the $ 4 mil range? Furthermore, will he end up hitting free agency in the first place?

Today, JR said that he's "hopeful" that he can get something done with both Jokinen and Pitkanen.

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JR actually said today that resigning Pitkanen and Jokinen is hopeful.
Until they're actually re-signed, 'hopeful' when you were at 'not close' on the 20th is not a big improvement.

Jussi Jokinen is UFA. His current cap hit is 1.7 million. Pens will have at least 10 million in space - Kovalev not coming back (5 mil). Talbot not coming back (1.05 mil). Godard not coming back (725k). Dupuis unlikely (1.4 mil). Rupp questionable.

Allocating 2.5 mil for Jokinen isn't an issue.

If Shero does the right thing, the Pens have 14-20 mil in available cap space, time to hit the market for some REAL players who are actually worth 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 mil.


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Until they're actually re-signed, 'hopeful' when you were at 'not close' on the 20th is not a big improvement.

Jussi Jokinen is UFA. His current cap hit is 1.7 million. Pens will have at least 10 million in space - Kovalev not coming back (5 mil). Talbot not coming back (1.4 mil). Godard not coming back (725k). Dupuis unlikely (1.4 mil).

Allocating 2.5 mil for Jokinen isn't an issue.
You will be happy to know that the purported reason that Jokinen has not resigned with Carolina is because he wants somewhere in the area of 4 million a year.

If all it would take was 2.5 million, then he would have resigned already with Carolina.

And JR has made "serious progress" with the two- to the point where one of them may be signing on Tuesday.

http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news....id=DL|CAR|home

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Yea I heard on XM Radio today that they should have a deal in place for both of them in the next couple of days.

They have made serious progress on both deals as one of the many Anton's said.

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Allocating 2.5 for Jokinen is going to get you Chad LaRose. He will sign for at least 3.5, and we will probably know for sure by early next week whether he will be a cane or how much he really wants.

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4 million for a guy who has trouble scoring 20 a season? No thanks. He was one of the more interesting guys because I thought he wouldn't command top dollar but 4/a year is too much.

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don't see it happening (unless malkin is traded)
Huh? Pens have like 8M in cap space for 2 spots.

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You will be happy to know that the purported reason that Jokinen has not resigned with Carolina is because he wants somewhere in the area of 4 million a year.

If all it would take was 2.5 million, then he would have resigned already with Carolina.

And JR has made "serious progress" with the two- to the point where one of them may be signing on Tuesday.

http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news....id=DL|CAR|home
Okay, what's the source for the 4 million number? And why are you citing an article that consists entirely of blind optimism, and posting modified/edited misquotes? If you're going to post quotes from the article, please post CORRECT, FULL quotes.

Such as: "“We didn’t think we were going to have a chance on Pitkanen and Jokinen, but I’m actually at this point hopeful that we have a chance at both those guys now,” he said."

Notice how different that is than the paraphrased statement you've presented?

You're saying he's gone from a 20% chance to a 99% chance... I'm saying he's gone from a 15% chance to a 30% chance, at best. Maybe only in his own mind.

I was looking for neutral POV, not homerism, thanks. Should've known the homers were out in force for Jokinen.

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4 million for a guy who has trouble scoring 20 a season? No thanks. He was one of the more interesting guys because I thought he wouldn't command top dollar but 4/a year is too much.
I'll agree 4 is a bit much but before having a injury this year he put up 30 goals and 60 points. And he also isn't some one dimensional offense guy either. He's is a lock for 55-60 points in a healthy season in addition to being decent in the face off circle and awesome in the shootout. I'd say he signs for around 3.5, which in my opinion, is more than fair.

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Tanguay, who is way better than Jokinen, signed for 3.5. That puts Jokinen in the 2.5-3 million area for anyone who isn't a Diehard Canes Homer.

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Then he'd already be under contract in Carolina for the next 2-3 seasons if that's all it would take.

Not saying he'll get 4 million per, but that is what his camp was asking for. Anything in the 2.5-3 million range will likely see him back in Carolina.

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Then he'd already be under contract in Carolina for the next 2-3 seasons if that's all it would take.

Not saying he'll get 4 million per, but that is what his camp was asking for. Anything in the 2.5-3 million range will likely see him back in Carolina.
Where is the source on this?

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Tanguay is "much better" than Jokinen? How is that? Because his breakout/comeback season was this year as opposed to Jokinen's being last year? Jokinen still had a pretty good year this year, even with his injuries. He is also younger than Tanguay which is another factor. Tanguay also signed his contract before the UFA period. Different situations.

Jussi signs for nothing less than 3 on the open market. I'd be willing to bet on that. Whether you think that is worth it or not is irrelevant. If posting articles with quotes from our GM and pointing out realistic reasons why Jokinen is not going to sign for peanuts makes us "homers" then so be it.

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Tanguay is "much better" than Jokinen? How is that? Because his breakout/comeback season was this year as opposed to Jokinen's being last year? Jokinen still had a pretty good year this year, even with his injuries. He is also younger than Tanguay which is another factor. Tanguay also signed his contract before the UFA period. Different situations.

Jussi signs for nothing less than 3 on the open market. I'd be willing to bet on that. Whether you think that is worth it or not is irrelevant. If posting articles with quotes from our GM and pointing out realistic reasons why Jokinen is not going to sign for peanuts makes us "homers" then so be it.
No - the reason it isn't Neutral POV is that the 4 mil number is being tossed around with no citation.

If you're going to make statements about specific dollar amounts for a guy who is currently getting 1.7 mil suddenly asking for 4, you better have a serious source, because reality deems the most he would likely get is a 3 year, 2.5 deal considering that he really isn't anything special as far as LW goes.

Tanguay's numbers last year were way better... 69 points.

It's even sadder to see the same unsourced statement being touted by a moderator. Citations or bust, right now all that the Canes have is wishful thinking - their trades that were supposed to happen fell through, and their players are going to teams that might actually make the playoffs this year.

When people say 'Hockey City'... or 'Hockey Team'... they're not talking about the Carolina Hurricanes, who are mentioned in the same breath as the Florida Panthers, usually.

Jokinen WILL sign with someone OTHER THAN Carolina. Mark my words.

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Jokinen is going to get overpaid simply because of the lack of quality top six forwards available via free agency. Deal with it.

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Hopefully, Saku and Teemu are going to entice him to Anaheim.

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Where is the source on this?
http://hurricanesbeat.com/profiles/b...lysis-coaching

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At this point, Jokinen appears to be a lost cause, with the Canes apparently far apart on money and contract length. Jokinen’s agent is sniffing around in the $4 million a year range over a three-year period, with Rutherford saying: "I asked them what they were looking for and it was quite a bit out of the range of what we would do. He had a very big year a year ago, so he’s in a position all players work for, it’s his big opportunity."

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jokinen..,lazy euro. marshmellows.., no cup. tanguay intangibles..,carolina no hocey city.., florida panthers.., pavel bure..rats

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Jokinen is going to get overpaid simply because of the lack of quality top six forwards available via free agency. Deal with it.
He would be extremely lucky to make the second line on a GOOD hockey team. He's top six if you're the Florida Panthers or the Carolina Hurricanes. If you're any other NHL team, he's really not.

"At this point, Jokinen appears to be a lost cause, with the Canes apparently far apart on money and contract length. Jokinen’s agent is sniffing around in the $4 million a year range over a three-year period, with Rutherford saying: "I asked them what they were looking for and it was quite a bit out of the range of what we would do. He had a very big year a year ago, so he’s in a position all players work for, it’s his big opportunity."

So, your source is his agent... all agents ask for more than what their player is worth... and then they come down from there.

3 million for 3 years, IMO. Not a penny more.

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Where is the source on this?
Our beat writer about 2 weeks back

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If true that Joni Pitkanen is after multi-year pact at $5 mil a year, and Jussi Jokinen close to $4 mil, don't count on return to Canes.

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Jussi put up 30 goals and 65 points in 09-10. He was on pace for ~22 goals and ~61 points this past year. That's not Top 6 production?

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Jussi put up 30 goals and 65 points in 09-10. He was on pace for ~22 goals and ~61 points this past year. That's not Top 6 production?
I'm going to need a source on those point totals, and a police report.

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