I believe Corrado will stay because with McFadden gone he should jump in and get the ice time on PP. He will/would have been better overall on PP because he is low risk of coughing pucks up at offense blueline. He is smarter. He will stay.
Campagna - would be silly for him to want out (unless he is traded for future draft picks) as he will be put on the first line center role. And we know how coach coaches...he will get full PP and lots of PK next season. To leave he may not get that unless on a total rebuild of a team.
Harris - a rookie this year (a '95 rookie). I hope they have convinced him things will be better for him next year (as well as Baptiste...although he was given a huge amount of apportunities...played top 2 line minutes most of the season) as believe he will be a player. Not a 40 goal a year player but a strong two way center. He was a plus on the plus/minus meter which is very good for a rookie center. Baptiste might want out but they need to convince him to stay as well. He will be a prolific goal scorer in this league.
Kids they need to keep and show they are behind are:
Kantor (for character), Sefton, Corrado, Dodero, Corbett (defence and for future), Campagna or a better replacement, Leivo (but be better coached), Silk, Pancel, Baptiste, Harris and Venneau (spelling??). The others are interchangeable and could be used to get future picks or help now.
Did not mention Schoenmakers as he will be an OA, Haines - OA and can only keep 3 (4 up until January).
I hope they make the necessary trades using the OA's as trading chips to put a decent team on the ice.
Chewerjones - based on what is coming back and what will need to be gone for next year...where do you see the lineup?
Corrado is drafted and signed, and has nothing to prove in Sudbury and will want to go somewhere convenient. JMO
Harris should stay.
Leivo may want to leave for convenience as he is drafted already, and can help teams that are closer to a Mem Cup. We know that the Wolves are worlds away.
Campagna should be gone as he was not treated like a top 5 OHL draft pick. All other OHL teams develop and promote their first round picks, with all time on PP, PK and even give them A's, like Maidens, Gaunce, Laughton, Galchenyuk etc.....
McFarland was given the town in Sudbury and he had an attitude and still got everything he wanted.
Sudbury doesnt allow the players to play to their strengths unless your names are Sgarbossa or Foligno or Leivo. Others they force to play games they are not used to and if they dont succeed then they are sent to the Dog House.
Yes you are so dead on. If Sudbury can develop their draft picks they definetly would be a better team all around.
When I say develop draft picks, that means:
Give them equal opportunity
Allow them to grow and make mistakes
Mentor them all year on and off the ice
Hand out letters to 1st and 2nd rounders when possible
Provide good billets
Give them one on one's where they need the extra
Promote TEAM play
Everything Cull never did with his draft picks.
Yes you are so dead on. If Sudbury can develop their draft picks they definetly would be a better team all around.
When I say develop draft picks, that means:
Give them equal opportunity
Allow them to grow and make mistakes
Mentor them all year on and off the ice
Hand out letters to 1st and 2nd rounders when possible
Provide good billets
Give them one on one's where they need the extra
Promote TEAM play
Everything Cull never did with his draft picks.
Agree. If you watch the bench when the game is on yu will see Cull yelling things over everyone but the only time he really gets down to players levels is when he is talking to the very top end players. I see very little coaching to the younger kids.
Maybe it is an issue that there is too few coaches on bench. Cull has to coach the forwards and tell them when to change, etc. Most teams have more than two coaches on bench.
The trade today with windsor to aquire Ottawa's 3rd rounder was for 1 reason...
Connor Burgess......he will go there...guaranteed.
Sudbury making the trade for the extra 3rd rounder to make the kid feel special, and not to waste their other picks.
But if you can get another 3rd rounder, why not use that pick to help your team. A 3rd rounder is a high pick.
They can pick Burgess with a late round pick, as I dont think anyone would cross the line and pick another team's owner's kid. This is not the same as the Rychel situation, because Rychel was a top rated player, and Rychel pulled tricks to move lower in the 2nd round to draft Rychel. We know how that worked.
Sudbury making the trade for the extra 3rd rounder to make the kid feel special, and not to waste their other picks.
But if you can get another 3rd rounder, why not use that pick to help your team. A 3rd rounder is a high pick.
They can pick Burgess with a late round pick, as I dont think anyone would cross the line and pick another team's owner's kid. This is not the same as the Rychel situation, because Rychel was a top rated player, and Rychel pulled tricks to move lower in the 2nd round to draft Rychel. We know how that worked.
Read the article in the Star today from Jeff Giffen. He mentions a few options. First being that Blaine Smith stocm piled draft picks over the years to possibly get a pure goals scorer in. First off, how do they know that what they have now are not goals scorers if given the chance? Sgarbossa was not a pure goal scorer earlier in his OHL career and minor midget? Maybe there is something there. Baptiste 39 goals in minor midget, Harris 43 goals in minor midget (from the Sudbury Wolves website). These kids might be able to do something if given the chance...same as Campagna. I would rather have 6 x 20-25 goal scorers than one at 45 and a couple others over 20. Look at London, they have multiple 20 goal scorers. This makes you dangerous to play against.
Second option was moving up in the Import draft to gain a top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman.
I am all for this, but I believe that there might be more already in Sudbury...kids who have the ability given the chance. However, under the current regime I am not sure if they will be given the chance next season.
Read the article in the Star today from Jeff Giffen. He mentions a few options. First being that Blaine Smith stocm piled draft picks over the years to possibly get a pure goals scorer in. First off, how do they know that what they have now are not goals scorers if given the chance? Sgarbossa was not a pure goal scorer earlier in his OHL career and minor midget? Maybe there is something there. Baptiste 39 goals in minor midget, Harris 43 goals in minor midget (from the Sudbury Wolves website). These kids might be able to do something if given the chance...same as Campagna. I would rather have 6 x 20-25 goal scorers than one at 45 and a couple others over 20. Look at London, they have multiple 20 goal scorers. This makes you dangerous to play against.
Second option was moving up in the Import draft to gain a top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman.
I am all for this, but I believe that there might be more already in Sudbury...kids who have the ability given the chance. However, under the current regime I am not sure if they will be given the chance next season.
I agree. Pancel scored 20+ goals in his first year, because he got alot of ice time on the PP and played with Sgarbossa during stretches of alot of injuries to others. He also flourished with Campagna for a stretch there in December.
I just dont think the HOckey Brass in Sudbury can evaluate talent properly.
They have had top picks over the last 5-6 years, and I cant remember any of them becoming stars in the OHL. I believe that Foligno was a later round pick? Sgarbossa was a trade and not a draftee. SEE MY POINT. THEY HAVE PICKED IN THE TOP 5, THE LAST 4-5 YEARS AND HAVE NO STAR TO SHOW FOR IT????
Its either because they dont know how to evaluate, or they just dont know how to Develop. I believe its more the latter.
Actual proof that Sudbury does not develop. Many times on these threads it has been mentioned that Sudbury always believe they can win it that specific year. This is their excuse of why they don't let the younger kids play as much.
Proof is - Rookie of the year teams are out and no where is there a Sudbury player - same as last year. You can tell the teams who let the kids play in all situations to develop. Sudbury just does not let players play and develop.
There has been talk lately about draft picks. Let's be honest, they should do what they normally do...go get kids who are developed somewhere else and play them ahead of the kids they actually drafted. Does this mean that they don't trust the scouts and their picks or just don't feel they can develop or help the team until they are 19 years of age?
I think that Sudbury should trade away Baptiste, Harris, Silk. Campagna, Schutt for a few 19 year olds who they will give ice time to anyway. Example...Schoenmakers comes in and gets it all. Kantor comes in and receives 2nd line center duties (Never played center before), MacDonald gets 2nd line center and 1st PP in playoffs. All of these kids were developed somewhere else and as soon as they show up Sudbury drafted players take a back seat.
I think, in fairness, to the younger ids mentioned Sudbury should trade for players they will ONLY play anyway.
Actual proof that Sudbury does not develop. Many times on these threads it has been mentioned that Sudbury always believe they can win it that specific year. This is their excuse of why they don't let the younger kids play as much.
Proof is - Rookie of the year teams are out and no where is there a Sudbury player - same as last year. You can tell the teams who let the kids play in all situations to develop. Sudbury just does not let players play and develop.
There has been talk lately about draft picks. Let's be honest, they should do what they normally do...go get kids who are developed somewhere else and play them ahead of the kids they actually drafted. Does this mean that they don't trust the scouts and their picks or just don't feel they can develop or help the team until they are 19 years of age?
I think that Sudbury should trade away Baptiste, Harris, Silk. Campagna, Schutt for a few 19 year olds who they will give ice time to anyway. Example...Schoenmakers comes in and gets it all. Kantor comes in and receives 2nd line center duties (Never played center before), MacDonald gets 2nd line center and 1st PP in playoffs. All of these kids were developed somewhere else and as soon as they show up Sudbury drafted players take a back seat.
I think, in fairness, to the younger ids mentioned Sudbury should trade for players they will ONLY play anyway.
Dont worry, Corrado and Campagna gone next year, and in time Baptiste and Harris will ask for trades. Leivo will get upset with losing and will ask for trade.
They need a coach that will develop players, and a GM and owner that will allow them to develop. It is a 3-4 yr plan, and you cant always have a winning team every year.
How Ironic, last year we thought we could win and we end up with 6th pick overall. This year we do worse and end up with 13 pick overall.??????
Dont worry, Corrado and Campagna gone next year, and in time Baptiste and Harris will ask for trades. Leivo will get upset with losing and will ask for trade.
They need a coach that will develop players, and a GM and owner that will allow them to develop. It is a 3-4 yr plan, and you cant always have a winning team every year.
How Ironic, last year we thought we could win and we end up with 6th pick overall. This year we do worse and end up with 13 pick overall.??????
OHL Sudbury website says that Blaine Smith is excited about draft and has 15 picks and 3 in the first 3 rounds-14th, 54th and 60th. Whippity dooo.
One of the 3rd rounders will be thrown away to pick Burgess' son. So we have 2 picks in the first 3 rounds, almost 4 rounds??
They cant even develop top 5 picks overall, how are they going to use or develop 14th pick overall and a 54th pick overall.
I bet you Blaine uses the earlier 3rd round pick to select Burgess. IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN YOU KNOW THAT IT IS A DISFUNCTIONAL OPERATION.
Cummins first round pick- bigger Dman with good skills and upside. Like the pick. Options at D could have been Sanvido or Diperna. I would have picked DiPerna.
Vilardi and Burgess in the 3rd round. Vilardi is a Jeckyl and Hyde type player. Some times he has flashes of brilliance, and other times, you have to try and find him. May be biggest floater in the draft.
Maybe we should of picked these Copper Cliff kids before Burgess's kid.
I'm amusing they play for the Redmen how often do Sudbury kids get drafted out of AA?
Maybe we should of picked these Copper Cliff kids before Burgess's kid.
I'm amusing they play for the Redmen how often do Sudbury kids get drafted out of AA?
I dont want to put down a 15 year old kid, but this is Sudbury's mistake.
They waste a 3rd round pick, they plan to play in Russia next year pre-season, and for what??? We all know why.
They will be a bottom feeder team next year, and it looks embarrassing on the team.
If I was Blaine, or Head Scout and didnt agree with the moves, than they should both resign. Buf if they both agreed on the moves, than they should look for another vocation.
Not much Baptiste love...why not? Kid put up respectable numbers for a 16 year old on a team that (as many of you have stated yourself) doesn't nurture and develop young talent effectively. Noone expecting a breakout year for this kid?
Not much Baptiste love...why not? Kid put up respectable numbers for a 16 year old on a team that (as many of you have stated yourself) doesn't nurture and develop young talent effectively. Noone expecting a breakout year for this kid?
Kid has speed and size, but is strictly north/south kid. No lateral or east/west play. He needs to play with centreman that can give him the puck, and that may be a stretch on Sudbury next year.
He will probably play on 2nd line with Harris and Kantor, or Harris and Shoenmakers.
Vilardi is a Jeckyl and Hyde type player. Some times he has flashes of brilliance, and other times, you have to try and find him. May be biggest floater in the draft.
Burgess- ????
I am going to disagree with you about Vilardi. I have watched that kid play for 3 years and have coached him. He is anything but a floater. He needs work in the d-zone but what 15-16year old player doesn't. I think Sudbury got a steal with this kid in the 3rd round. The kid puts the puck in the net, he has speed and skill. Every game I watched the other teams game plan was to stop him because he was the only offense Kingston had. So I can see why he would disappear from time to time because of how tightly he was checked. The kid was a goal a game and almost 2 point per game player and 4 points in 3 games playing Junior A.
I think Wolves fans will be pleasantly surprised by this player.
Cummins first round pick- bigger Dman with good skills and upside. Like the pick. Options at D could have been Sanvido or Diperna. I would have picked DiPerna.
Vilardi and Burgess in the 3rd round. Vilardi is a Jeckyl and Hyde type player. Some times he has flashes of brilliance, and other times, you have to try and find him. May be biggest floater in the draft.
Burgess- ????
your evaluation of Vilardi is not accurate.
I have coached him many years and am connected with a few OHL teams. He was hurt at marlies and didn't make OHL Cup.
He s a top player always has been and he's good in his own zone. a floater is a terrible assessment. very tenacious, wants the puck.
Defensively he's actually good positionally. Sudbury gets a steal here.
I have coached him many years and am connected with a few OHL teams. He was hurt at marlies and didn't make OHL Cup.
He s a top player always has been and he's good in his own zone. a floater is a terrible assessment. very tenacious, wants the puck.
Defensively he's actually good positionally. Sudbury gets a steal here.
So much of a steal, that all other 19 teams passed on him in almost 3 rounds, and even locals like Kingston, Belleville passed on in him the 3rd round also.
Todd Gill picked his son in the 7th round, Gilmour picked his son in the 8th round, and Sudbury has to pick Burgess' son in the 3rd round. MAIN DIFFERENCE, GILL AND GILMOUR KIDS CAN ACTUALLY COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL.
So much of a steal, that all other 19 teams passed on him in almost 3 rounds, and even locals like Kingston, Belleville passed on in him the 3rd round also.
Todd Gill picked his son in the 7th round, Gilmour picked his son in the 8th round, and Sudbury has to pick Burgess' son in the 3rd round. MAIN DIFFERENCE, GILL AND GILMOUR KIDS CAN ACTUALLY COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL.
Your caps part is the most classic part of this thread. I wasn't talking about Burgess so why are you bringing him into this?
Also Gill and Gilmours kids have nothing to do with this... relax!!
You don't know a thing about Vilardi or Gilmour as it sounds by your descriptions. Time will tell, I dont have the time to sit here and post about players 24/7 like you do. However, you are sorely mistaken about many you post about (right about alot too). Do not caps people about picks because you think someone is a "Jekyll and Hyde" type player. I have watched him more than you I have coached him more than you so do not attack me for him being drafted in a lower position then most people. If you knew the age group the last 4 years Vilardi going third round is the lowest possible. Anyways not sure if you re a Sudbury fan or not, either way within two years he'll be one of their top scorers. May be my opinion but saying he got passed on my locals could be said about anyone above and below him, find a new argument.
Your caps part is the most classic part of this thread. I wasn't talking about Burgess so why are you bringing him into this?
Also Gill and Gilmours kids have nothing to do with this... relax!!
You don't know a thing about Vilardi or Gilmour as it sounds by your descriptions. Time will tell, I dont have the time to sit here and post about players 24/7 like you do. However, you are sorely mistaken about many you post about (right about alot too). Do not caps people about picks because you think someone is a "Jekyll and Hyde" type player. I have watched him more than you I have coached him more than you so do not attack me for him being drafted in a lower position then most people. If you knew the age group the last 4 years Vilardi going third round is the lowest possible. Anyways not sure if you re a Sudbury fan or not, either way within two years he'll be one of their top scorers. May be my opinion but saying he got passed on my locals could be said about anyone above and below him, find a new argument.
Posting an opinion is the purpose of this thread.
I am a Sudbury fan, and am passionate about their team.
It seems like you may have a bias towards the kid given your past relationship, which is fine, but it is still a bias. My opinion is my opinion and it totally unbiased.
In the best interest of the team, I hope you are right.
I don't know sudbury fans. I'm a hometown hockey fan but i have to be honest. The Gthl was head and shoulders the superior league as teams who didnt even make the playoffs beat omha-eta teams and there was undrafted kids who are really good. You didn't even draft one kid from the G??? Don't get that. Cummins is a big kid but doesn't play like a big kid. I'm cheering for him tho and will be following. You past on Diperna who has a pro shot, better defensively; i just don't get it.
Vilardi is a scorer and a quality player. He needs to work on his strength to be able to battle in the dirty area in order to produce in the O. Eccles is a tough D who competes well and will be liked in your barn. What's with all the north kids??
I don't know sudbury fans. I'm a hometown hockey fan but i have to be honest. The Gthl was head and shoulders the superior league as teams who didnt even make the playoffs beat omha-eta teams and there was undrafted kids who are really good. You didn't even draft one kid from the G??? Don't get that. Cummins is a big kid but doesn't play like a big kid. I'm cheering for him tho and will be following. You past on Diperna who has a pro shot, better defensively; i just don't get it.
Vilardi is a scorer and a quality player. He needs to work on his strength to be able to battle in the dirty area in order to produce in the O. Eccles is a tough D who competes well and will be liked in your barn. What's with all the north kids??
Cummins went early.. as did Macintyre OHL Cup gets alot of people drafted earlier, always does. Eccles is one of those guys who may end up being a favourite in Sudbury. Di Perna is better (maybe didnt want to report). As for Vilardi, you hit the nail on the head.
I am a Sudbury fan, and am passionate about their team.
It seems like you may have a bias towards the kid given your past relationship, which is fine, but it is still a bias. My opinion is my opinion and it totally unbiased.
In the best interest of the team, I hope you are right.
He's excited to be there that's all I can say... You'll enjoy his work ethic and play trust me on this one.
Let me know how he's doing in September lol appreciate all of your input in the OHL draft threads, wish I could have contributed more but have been busy as hell. I wasn't attacking you I was just giving you the goods on FV. Hope he does well for you guys.
