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06-18-2011, 12:57 AM
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People seem to forget to include contracts when comparing players as well. Say Carter and Eriksson is a wash. Add their contracts into the mix and Eriksson is a much better deal considering the team isn't locked down for too long despite Carter being worth his salary as well.

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06-18-2011, 01:07 AM
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I live in L.A. and see plenty of Pacific Division games, thanks. Eriksson's cap hit is only $1 million lower than Carter's, so there is almost no help with signing Bryzgalov. The 14th overall doesn't get the Flyers any closer to winning the Cup in the next two years, either. To add Versteeg and Coburn is just ridiculous. Eriksson would be a great Flyer, I am sure, but the deal is lateral outside of the pick. I wouldn't do it.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the logic that you wouldn't trade Carter by himself for a player that is, 1) At least on the same level, 2) Signed at a cheaper contract for six less years, and 3) With the added bonuses of a top 15 draft pick plus another draft pick. I don't understand that.

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06-18-2011, 01:22 AM
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I can't figure out for the life of me how Jeff Carter is a better overall player than Loui Eriksson. Maybe Carter has the potential to be better, maybe, but even that's a bit of a stretch...much rather have Eriksson on my team...
Better goal scorer, and he's certainly no slouch as a defensive player. That's how we can say he's better.

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06-18-2011, 01:25 AM
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People seem to forget to include contracts when comparing players as well. Say Carter and Eriksson is a wash. Add their contracts into the mix and Eriksson is a much better deal considering the team isn't locked down for too long despite Carter being worth his salary as well.
Locking a stud goal scorer down through right after his prime is a bad thing now?

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06-18-2011, 01:29 AM
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Locking a stud goal scorer down through right after his prime is a bad thing now?
Locking up anyone besides a Crosby or Ovechkin for 10+ years has a high potential to be a mistake.

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06-18-2011, 01:55 AM
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J. Carter > L. Eriksson
Debatable. Watch Eriksson play. Point difference is minute and Eriksson does EVERYTHING well.

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06-18-2011, 02:04 AM
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Better goal scorer, and he's certainly no slouch as a defensive player. That's how we can say he's better.
MMMMM NOPE! Eriksson, consistent 30 goal scorer who's unreal on the backend. Rather have him than Carter.

If anything it's a lateral move. He also plays in a better division

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06-18-2011, 02:12 AM
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MMMMM NOPE! Eriksson, consistent 30 goal scorer who's unreal on the backend. Rather have him than Carter.

If anything it's a lateral move. He also plays in a better division
He scored 30 goals once. 36, 27, and 29 in the last 3 years. If he's a 30 goal scorer, then Carter is a 40 goal scorer (46, 33, 36). So yes, Carter is a better goal scorer.

The Atlantic has been pretty tough. Last year they sent four of the five teams to the play offs, the year before that it was three and that was decided by a game on the last day of the season between the Rangers and Flyers. Three teams again this year, nearly four with the Devils crazy run.

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06-18-2011, 06:23 AM
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Would not do from a Stars POV.



Drop this proposal on the Stars board and you'll have a 95% consensus that the Stars should not make that trade.
Great, and you would have a 95% consensus that is 100% wrong.

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06-18-2011, 10:39 AM
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Great, and you would have a 95% consensus that is 100% wrong.
You really just don't get it at all.

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06-18-2011, 11:31 AM
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Thought I would try my hand at a big one. Perhaps it might help meet both team needs. [Dallas needs a top 4 d-man and top 6 forward. Philly needs cap space and an upgrade on RW. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.]

You guys plays nice, alright. Remember, this is just for fun.

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K. Versteeg
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2011 5th

To PHI
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2011 4th

As they say: "Flame away"
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06-18-2011, 11:57 AM
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Better goal scorer, and he's certainly no slouch as a defensive player. That's how we can say he's better.
Eriksson is one of the best defensive forwards in the entire league and ought to win a Selke before it's all said and done. Would you say the same about Carter?

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06-18-2011, 11:59 AM
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Eriksson is one of the best defensive forwards in the entire league and ought to win a Selke before it's all said and done. Would you say the same about Carter?
Nope. But Carter is a better goal scorer. Defensive specialists can be bought on the cheap but goals are harder to come buy. That is why I still claim that Jeff Carter is the better player. The only reason I'd move Carter for Eriksson is the fact that he's a winger.

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06-18-2011, 12:01 PM
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Eriksson is one of the best defensive forwards in the entire league and ought to win a Selke before it's all said and done. Would you say the same about Carter?
I'd say he's capable, yes. I honestly think he's nearly as good an over all defender as Richards. Probably better in one or two respects, and a notch below in a few others. With Mike Richards in town it probably won't happen, but if Carter were ever called upon to be the Flyers primary shut down center for a season, I could see his name coming up.

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06-18-2011, 12:12 PM
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Wouldn't do this from a Stars POV.

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The deal is idiotic, but considering Eriksson's cap hit and Carter's ridiculous term, I'd rather have Eriksson. And yes, I see plenty of Dallas games (Divisional opponents) and Flyer games (playoffs).

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06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
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Maybe just take out Versteeg and Coburn and the 1st from Dallas and it becomes a bit more fair.

Eriksson is a fantastic 2-way forward who can put up similar numbers to Carter, albeit, less goals.

Carter for Eriksson and Dallas' 4th seems a bit more fair to me.
The Flyers don't need another "good 2-way forward", they can just keep Carter if that's what they wanted. We need more goal scorers and that's why we should be keeping Carter.

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06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
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You really just don't get it at all.
This coming from the person who obviously thinks that a first round pick is fair value for Braydon Coburn AND Kris Versteeg.

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For all of this talk about what a great defensive forward Eriksson is, Jeff Carter finished in the top 10 in voting for the Selke a couple of years ago. Carter is no slouch at all defensively. People indicating otherwise are showing to not really have a firm grasp on the subject matter they are involving themselves in.

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06-18-2011, 12:49 PM
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I would want Loui Eriksson over Jeff Carter. Just my opinion, that being said I don't think Eriksson has a lot more value.

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06-18-2011, 01:21 PM
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No thank you, Eriksson and Benn are the future of our franchise

Anyone want Barch?

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He scored 30 goals once. 36, 27, and 29 in the last 3 years. If he's a 30 goal scorer, then Carter is a 40 goal scorer (46, 33, 36). So yes, Carter is a better goal scorer.

The Atlantic has been pretty tough. Last year they sent four of the five teams to the play offs, the year before that it was three and that was decided by a game on the last day of the season between the Rangers and Flyers. Three teams again this year, nearly four with the Devils crazy run.
I'm just saying, it's a lateral move. Eriksson is a 30 goal scorer with still more upside.

I don't see Carter breaking forty five goals ever again. I say you put Eriksson in that division and he's a forty goal scorer.

And you aren't married to an 11 year contract. Eriksson's younger too.

Eriksson's value is higher right now

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Eriksson is better than Carter overall. Debate all you want. I'll take more points and a better 2 way player over only more goals.

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I'd say he's capable, yes. I honestly think he's nearly as good an over all defender as Richards. Probably better in one or two respects, and a notch below in a few others. With Mike Richards in town it probably won't happen, but if Carter were ever called upon to be the Flyers primary shut down center for a season, I could see his name coming up.
Then you sir have no idea what you are talking about. In the next few years we will see Eriksson be mentioned with the likes of Datsyuk, Kesler, Bergeron, Toews.

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Eriksson is better than Carter overall. Debate all you want. I'll take more points and a better 2 way player over only more goals.
Jeff Carter has gotten more points and goals than Eriksson in the last three years. Also, how exactly have you determined that Eriksson has a better 2-way game?

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