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06-18-2011, 10:15 AM
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Vancouver/Dallas

DAL:
Ballard
Hodgson
Connauton
First round pick
Second round pick

VAN:
Morrow

I'm sure Morrow isn't available but what would it take to get him out of Dallas? I'm no Vancouver fan either but I think he would play well with Kesler and it seems like Vancouver fans want a good winger to play with him. I'm bored. Morrow is Dallas' captain though and I think he could fetch a little more than this but Hodgson is a top prospect, Ballard is basically a cap dump because I don't know the Canucks cap situation... Flame on!

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06-18-2011, 10:20 AM
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DAL:
Ballard
Hodgson
Connauton
First round pick
Second round pick

VAN:
Morrow

I'm sure Morrow isn't available but what would it take to get him out of Dallas? I'm no Vancouver fan either but I think he would play well with Kesler and it seems like Vancouver fans want a good winger to play with him. I'm bored. Morrow is Dallas' captain though and I think he could fetch a little more than this but Hodgson is a top prospect, Ballard is basically a cap dump because I don't know the Canucks cap situation... Flame on!
that is wayyyyy too much for Morrow

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06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
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Huge overpayment

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06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
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I doubt that Morrow would have made a huge difference over Higgins this year. He's a great character guy to be sure and I have a ton of respect for him and his game, but his impact in Dallas is different from what his impact in Vancouver would be.

Obviously Morrow is better in every regard than Higgins, but not by enough to warrant any kind of overpayment. I'd say Ballard and our first for Morrow would be fair.

OP, don't start threads and then admit you don't know anything about one team's cap situation. It's not that hard to run things through Capgeek first.

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06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
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DAL:
Ballard
Hodgson
Connauton
First round pick
Second round pick

VAN:
Morrow

ballard is dead weight and a none factor

the rest is a lot to give up

I think that the deal is also designed to move Ballard contract

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06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
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ballard is dead weight and a none factor

the rest is a lot to give up

I think that the deal is also designed to move Ballard contract
If the Canucks wanted to move Ballard for nothing they'd put him on waivers and he'd be picked up. The Canucks won't need to "sweeten the pot" in order to move Ballard. Teams will lose out in UFA and will be looking for a PMD capable of playing top 4 minutes.

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Just simple it down to

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Brendan Morrow
UFA right of Jammie Langenbrunner

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Cody Hodgson/ Jordan Schroeder
Keith Ballard
1 st round pick

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06-18-2011, 11:11 AM
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Since Dallas is a cap strapped team they really couldn't afford to take on a big, dead weight contract like Ballards.

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06-18-2011, 11:56 AM
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I doubt that Morrow would have made a huge difference over Higgins this year. He's a great character guy to be sure and I have a ton of respect for him and his game, but his impact in Dallas is different from what his impact in Vancouver would be.

Obviously Morrow is better in every regard than Higgins, but not by enough to warrant any kind of overpayment. I'd say Ballard and our first for Morrow would be fair.

OP, don't start threads and then admit you don't know anything about one team's cap situation. It's not that hard to run things through Capgeek first.
That deal is atrocious for Dallas. Ballard is absolutely dead weight on a 3-4 year contract and Van's 1st is essentially a 2nd rounder. Brenden Morrow has 2 years left at very affordable 4.1 mil. And I disagree about Morrow not having as much of an impact than Higgins. He adds a physical dimension on your top six (along with Kesler), and can pot plenty of dirty goals in front of the net.

With that said, the original OP proposal is overpayment. Morrow is a 25-30 goal PF with a ton of intangibles. But I still don't think he's worth that package.

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06-18-2011, 01:20 PM
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That deal is atrocious for Dallas. Ballard is absolutely dead weight on a 3-4 year contract and Van's 1st is essentially a 2nd rounder. Brenden Morrow has 2 years left at very affordable 4.1 mil. And I disagree about Morrow not having as much of an impact than Higgins. He adds a physical dimension on your top six (along with Kesler), and can pot plenty of dirty goals in front of the net.

With that said, the original OP proposal is overpayment. Morrow is a 25-30 goal PF with a ton of intangibles. But I still don't think he's worth that package.
People are so stupid. The Canucks could get at least draft picks for Ballard. A lot of teams would like to have a puck moving defenseman that can hit. He's undervalued big time on these boards by people that don't even follow the Canucks. It's embarrassing.

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The fact that EV didn't play Ballard 24/7 in the playoffs doesn't mean he sucks.

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I think that the rights to Ehrhoff could be of some value to Dallas.

Morrow would be ideal for the Canucks IMO, but the price would be quite high.

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I doubt that Morrow would have made a huge difference over Higgins this year. He's a great character guy to be sure and I have a ton of respect for him and his game, but his impact in Dallas is different from what his impact in Vancouver would be.

Obviously Morrow is better in every regard than Higgins, but not by enough to warrant any kind of overpayment. I'd say Ballard and our first for Morrow would be fair.
The original proposal notwithstanding, I disagree with you. The upgrade in Morrow's all around game is significant in comparison to what Higgins brings to the table. Higgins was a hanger-on in Vancouver's top 6 whereas Morrow would solidify the second line. Their impact or potential impact in Vancouver aren't really comparable IMO.

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People are so stupid. The Canucks could get at least draft picks for Ballard. A lot of teams would like to have a puck moving defenseman that can hit. He's undervalued big time on these boards by people that don't even follow the Canucks. It's embarrassing.
That may be true but he's not worth our captain and leading goal scorer from a year ago. The late 1st has value but not the kind that HF creams their pants over. Not a good deal from a Dallas POV.

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06-18-2011, 05:42 PM
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Since Dallas is a cap strapped team they really couldn't afford to take on a big, dead weight contract like Ballards.
This is not correct.

Depending on the cap next season, Dallas will likely need to spend $9 million to reach the cap floor.

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06-18-2011, 05:45 PM
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I know some Dallas fans want the team to trade some vets, but people need to be realistic. The organization loves Brenden, and there is zero motivation to move him. Regardless of his perceived value, a team would have to pay a significant cost for him.

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I know some Dallas fans want the team to trade some vets, but people need to be realistic. The organization loves Brenden, and there is zero motivation to move him. Regardless of his perceived value, a team would have to pay a significant cost for him.
Oh yeah but if they were offered a top prospect a top 4 dman and solid dman prospect and two high picks they would be silly not to ask him to waive his NTC.

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Just simple it down to

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Brendan Morrow
UFA right of Jammie Langenbrunner

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Cody Hodgson/ Jordan Schroeder
Keith Ballard
1 st round pick
I would actually do this trade from a Dallas POV

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06-19-2011, 12:08 PM
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Vancouver will not give up the farm for Morrow.

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This is not correct.

Depending on the cap next season, Dallas will likely need to spend $9 million to reach the cap floor.
I understand that but since Dallas wasn't able to keep Richards around for even a smaller cap hit to what he was at now I figured they couldn't really afford to carry a player with an individually high salary. Could they afford to pay a third pairing dman 4.2million?

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IMO, couple points in this thread --
Don't think Langenbrunners UFA rights are worth much if anything
Don't think Ballard is worthless -- he has proven to be a solid top 4 guy, the Canucks just have better top 4 guys
Don't think Erhoff's rights are of interest to Dal w Goligoski there
I do think Morrow has significant value and a guy like him or Doan is exactly what the Canucks need, a vet who can score, lead and play physical. If Dal & Phx are looking to grow a young core this type of deal makes sense, IMO.
However I wouldn't break the bank for either, but would give up a good young guy like Schneider or Hodgson.
How about Hodgson, Ballard for Morrow and a good 4th liner?

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I find it hard to believe when Canucks fans still claim Ballard is a solid top 4 dman. He couldn't even break the regular lineup in the playoffs, even when Hamhuis was injured. It reminds me of Toronto fans trying to dump Komisarek to teams and claim he's still a solid physical dman that can be a second pairing and should have significant trade value.

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06-19-2011, 12:33 PM
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DAL:
Ballard
Hodgson
Connauton
First round pick
Second round pick

VAN:
Morrow


All that for Mikael Samuelsson level offensive production at a 50% larger cap hit?

God no.

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All that for Mikael Samuelsson level offensive production at a 50% larger cap hit?

God no.
Yes, because all Morrow brings to the table is pure offense.

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I find it hard to believe when Canucks fans still claim Ballard is a solid top 4 dman. He couldn't even break the regular lineup in the playoffs, even when Hamhuis was injured. It reminds me of Toronto fans trying to dump Komisarek to teams and claim he's still a solid physical dman that can be a second pairing and should have significant trade value.
it's a question of fit
Ballard is best in a top 4 role and the Canucks had lots of those guys, and for whatever reason, he didn't work for AV.
one bad season doesn not erase a decent career as a top 4 who can score and defend (couple 30+ pt season, incl 39 in Phx one year) Plus he's younger than Komi.
The Canucks will not kill themselves to dump Ballard, it's not neccesary. They may keep him if they cant retain Erhoff.

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Yes, because all Morrow brings to the table is pure offense.
They`re called intangibles for a reason. If intangibles are given more weight than tangible production you`re going down a road of failure.

The fact of the matter is Brendan Morrow produces offense nealry identical to Mikael Samuelsson and does it with a much larger cap hit. To want to break the bank for a lateral move offensively is a recipe for disaster.

Tell me with a straight face that offer was anything but a preposterous overpayment. If you can, you win.

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