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06-12-2011, 02:39 PM
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How to evaluate our young defense

Long time fan - back to Harry Howell as a Norris winner!
Favorite NYR defenseman - Howell, Park, Maloney, Greschner, Leetch & Beck in no apparent order.
This may be the best young group in my lifetime- with Gir-Staal, Sauer - McD, Erixon-McI, Kundratek-MDZ, Gilroy??
On the other hand, we have needs in the top 3 forwards or even top 9. Those needs are even greater as our young forwards aren"t world-class and our young defenseman don't have a talent like Brad Park or Brian Leetch from my humble vantage point. I do think Staal & McD haver the potential to improve on the off. contribution end and looking forward to seeing Erixon BUT I assume no one disagrees that we aren't seeing Park or Leetch any time soon. Even an MDZ looks more like a Rod Seiling to me than an end to end leetch type.

So we have a lot of young strength on the back-line- how do we add some offensive balance on the back-end and package some back strength to add a quality young center? Or am I completely wrong here? Interested in your thoughts.

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Welcome. Congrats on 1st post.

I go back about that far.

Not a big deal for me, but you may want to keep your topic ---evaluating the d talent --- consistent with the question you wind up asking at the end: "So we have a lot of young strength on the back-line- how do we add some offensive balance on the back-end and package some back strength to add a quality young center?"

Many will disagree here, but I consider Girardi expendable if there is a good offer. Expect we have to package other assets, even then great first line Fs, Cs, in particular, are at a premium.

We have more guys on the farm on the backline, so we really have to think about not one deal, but two or three deals.
More follow up later....

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So we have a lot of young strength on the back-line- how do we add some offensive balance on the back-end and package some back strength to add a quality young center? Or am I completely wrong here? Interested in your thoughts.
I think the plan is to hope MDZ comes around and can be a good offensive d-man. And adding Erixon gives them a more mobile option at D, with a good slapshot.

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I really don't see the MDZ-Rod Seiling comparison. Granted I only saw Seiling for 3 or 4 seasons but his offensive contributions were more in line to what we can expect from Dan Girardi. MDZ is much more gifted offensively and plays a grittier style. Seiling attracted a lot of boo birds in his day. The other thing is MDZ is on the smaller side of his position and Seiling was average.

As far as the D I'm not sure it's a good idea to mess with it too much. Good defensemen are usually hard to find and take time to develop. That we have a good number of young studs back there--and/or not fully developed prospects with high upside means we could easily sell them too cheaply and later on wonder ala Norstrom why the hell we did that.

For now I'm for hanging onto all of Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Sauer and Erixon and it would take a very good offer to get me to part with MDZ.

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Welcome. Congrats on 1st post.

I go back about that far.

Not a big deal for me, but you may want to keep your topic ---evaluating the d talent --- consistent with the question you wind up asking at the end: "So we have a lot of young strength on the back-line- how do we add some offensive balance on the back-end and package some back strength to add a quality young center?"

Many will disagree here, but I consider Girardi expendable if there is a good offer. Expect we have to package other assets, even then great first line Fs, Cs, in particular, are at a premium.

We have more guys on the farm on the backline, so we really have to think about not one deal, but two or three deals.
More follow up later....
Thanks for the welcome and the advice- I was probably a bit all over on my first post. I don"t disagree completely about Girardi b/e I worry that someone who lead the league in combined hits and shots blocked will physically breakdown faster than normal
BUT to disagree a little - Girardi's at the right age for a dman to be at his best; he partners well with Staal on the first pairing and let Staal jump into the O zone a little more last year.Would love to see that continue next year - although he won't be Eric Staal.
I think Sauer might grow into a right defense first pair but he and McD were such a pleasant surprise last year and I wouldn't want to weaken their top 4 by seeing Girardi go.
I think that having a young first pair that eats 25 minutes a game and a young 2nd pair that eats 20+ gives you great latitude for the 3rd pair e.g. a young player you are looking to develop, an offensive specialist for the PP, a somewhat inexpensive veteran etc.
Plus Girardi strikes me as the kind of player that you value more if he's yours and less if he's on another team. Until we grow some talent on the O we are going to rise our fall on the quality and effort of the Goalie and the D

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