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06-18-2011, 09:57 PM
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Pacioretty won't be moving unless one of Coburn, Carter or Giroux were to come back, which the flyers would never do, which is why he won't be traded.
I'm stunned that you have Giroux and Carter in the same class as Coburn. That's the first time I've seen something like that.

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06-18-2011, 09:59 PM
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That's fine...I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I was just talking with another fellow about Versteeg being a more valuable piece than Hartnell to MTL, whether or not they'd trade for him or not.
I wouldn't consider Versteeg a valuable piece in the eyes of the Habs. We have no interest in an overpaid pint-sized player. Hartnell at least has size, grit and toughness but he would be cannon fodder in Jacques Martin's defensive system.

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06-18-2011, 11:42 PM
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I'm stunned that you have Giroux and Carter in the same class as Coburn. That's the first time I've seen something like that.
I think he tought about the needs for the Habs here. I don't think he puts Coburn in the same class as Giroux and Carter. Coburn is quite a usefull dman tough.

Paciorrety is quite valuable for us he is not worth Giroux or Carter but he is worth Van Riemsdyk for us. You wouldn't move Van riemsdyk we wouldn't move Paciorretty.

For Hartnell i'd give our first plus Palushaj for him and your second.

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06-18-2011, 11:52 PM
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Pacioretty won't be moving unless one of Coburn, Carter or Giroux were to come back, which the flyers would never do, which is why he won't be traded.
Man, I agree that the dudes trade proposal was completely insane...
But come on, to even suggest that patches would fetch giroux or Carter in a trade is just as ridiculous.

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06-18-2011, 11:56 PM
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I wouldn't consider Versteeg a valuable piece in the eyes of the Habs. We have no interest in an overpaid pint-sized player. Hartnell at least has size, grit and toughness but he would be cannon fodder in Jacques Martin's defensive system.
$3 million for a 3 time 20+ goal scorer isn't really overpayment these days. Produces similar point totals to Gionta, despite making $2 million less. Obviously Gionta brings more to the table, hence the $2 million extra.

And there should be interest in getting actual scoring depth on this team, unless you are satisfied when the team has to turn to Moen and Darche when the top lines are struggling.

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06-19-2011, 01:00 AM
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weber pouliot for hartnell,montreal really needs a guy like him,we could just sign harmlik back,or find a way to keep the wiz

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06-19-2011, 01:34 AM
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Hartnell for a 1st in either 2011 or 2012.

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06-19-2011, 01:44 AM
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I wouldn't consider Versteeg a valuable piece in the eyes of the Habs. We have no interest in an overpaid pint-sized player. Hartnell at least has size, grit and toughness but he would be cannon fodder in Jacques Martin's defensive system.
Actually I would be interested in acquiring Versteeg, despite his lackluster showing this season. He was fantastic with Chicago in their cup run and would compliment our bottom pairing well. If we dump Moen, I would be all over a trade for Versteeg. We could then pick up Brouwer from Chicago and have an actual physical depth in our roster for once.

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06-19-2011, 01:52 AM
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Actually I would be interested in acquiring Versteeg, despite his lackluster showing this season. He was fantastic with Chicago in their cup run and would compliment our bottom pairing well. If we dump Moen, I would be all over a trade for Versteeg. We could then pick up Brouwer from Chicago and have an actual physical depth in our roster for once.

Versteeg actually played pretty well in Tor and when he first went to Philly. Shortly after ariving in Philly he got hurt and played the rest of the season and playoffs through it (I believe he had surgery after the season). Even so he played very well with Richards on our shut-down line. Personally, I want ot keep Versteeg and trade Hartnell.

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06-19-2011, 08:46 AM
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The last thing we need is Carcillo and Shelley and their 6 minutes/game of useless playing time. The last thing we would do is give up assets for useless junk like that. MaxPac and a 1st? Give your head a shake.
The point is NEVER EVER offer Pouliot and crap for real players. If you want to offer Pouliot, then try this:

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Pouliot
Asset of value like 1st or 2nd round pick


To Habs
late pick like 5th round pick.

Pouliot has negative value.

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06-19-2011, 09:54 AM
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The point is NEVER EVER offer Pouliot and crap for real players. If you want to offer Pouliot, then try this:

To other team
Pouliot
Asset of value like 1st or 2nd round pick


To Habs
late pick like 5th round pick.

Pouliot has negative value.
Umm okay. He doesn't have very good value, but he certainly doesn't have negative value. You proposal makes it seem like he makes $7 million a year.

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06-19-2011, 11:47 AM
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Kind of weird that the Habs need a guy like Hartnell, but he would be so damn slow on this team, it would be painful to watch. Might even be a detriment.

They would be better suited to go after Versteeg. Right shot, a good shooter to play with Eller on the 3rd line.
Hartnell's not that slow at all actually. He doesn't have the grace or hands to be able to produce on the rush like a lot of your other good players, but he is fast enough to be effective on dump-and-chase plays, forecheck and to generally keep up with the Habs. I don't know the Habs team intimately, but couldn't you guys use someone who is willing to drop the mitts for a team mate and also dig pucks out of corners against larger teams? A lot of the reason I think he would fit is because of how well he did on a line that plays how the Habs top 6 plays (Leino - Briere - Hartnell).

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Hartnell on a team that has players that have his back...good.

Hartnell on a team that has nobody to back him up......useless.
I don't think you have a very good idea of who Hartnell is. The man is irritating to other teams, I get that. But he's no coward and fights his own battles.

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Hartnell for a 1st in either 2011 or 2012.
Probably not happening for anything but a very late first. And I doubt that also.

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06-19-2011, 11:51 AM
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The point is NEVER EVER offer Pouliot and crap for real players. If you want to offer Pouliot, then try this:

To other team
Pouliot
Asset of value like 1st or 2nd round pick


To Habs
late pick like 5th round pick.

Pouliot has negative value.
Like you know anything about Pouliot...

Hartnell is an idiot. He would be a nice player to have, but at the cost of Pacioretty makes him very unattractive.

It's not our fault our coach is dumb as hell and doesn't like Pouliot, despite putting up 30 points playing minimal ice time until this loser.

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06-19-2011, 11:54 AM
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No one wants Hartnell. Carter is good trade bait, as is Richards. Trading within conference will be tough too.

hey Philly - interested?

to Philly:
PF P. Cormier (young grinder/center/prospect with upside)
OD Z. Bogosian (very young offensive defenceman with very high upside)

to Winterpeg:
C J. Carter (if he's willing to waive his no trade clause)
rights to V. Leino before free agency begins

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No one wants Hartnell. Carter is good trade bait, as is Richards. Trading within conference will be tough too.

hey Philly - interested?

to Philly:
PF P. Cormier (young grinder/center/prospect with upside)
OD Z. Bogosian (very young offensive defenceman with very high upside)

to Winterpeg:
C J. Carter (if he's willing to waive his no trade clause)
rights to V. Leino before free agency begins
Not at all interested, sorry.

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06-19-2011, 12:03 PM
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Hartnell is a good player but he is overpaid and will be tough to deal. He'd be a great trade asset for a team heading to the playoffs. I'd bet that's when his trade value would be the highest but the Flyers should be in it next year.

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06-19-2011, 12:04 PM
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No one wants Hartnell. Carter is good trade bait, as is Richards. Trading within conference will be tough too.

hey Philly - interested?

to Philly:
PF P. Cormier (young grinder/center/prospect with upside)
OD Z. Bogosian (very young offensive defenceman with very high upside)

to Winterpeg:
C J. Carter (if he's willing to waive his no trade clause)
rights to V. Leino before free agency begins
Not a chance, and Carter's NTC doesn't start untill after next season.

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