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Jakub Voracek from the Canucks

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06-18-2011, 09:06 PM
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Jakub Voracek from the Canucks

Would a combination of hodgson, our 1st and samuelsson get it done.

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06-18-2011, 09:13 PM
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Canucks fans need to stop including Samuelsson in every trade proposal. There's very few teams that will have interest in him, mostly the ones that are trying to win the Cup and have weakness on RW.

Your proposal doesn't really address any of Columbus' needs. They do need a Top 6 center, but Hodgson isn't there yet and likely won't be for another few years.

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06-18-2011, 09:20 PM
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Would ballard interest the jackets

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06-18-2011, 09:23 PM
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Edler or Hamuis is what I'm interested in from Vancouver if I'm giving up Voracek. Offering us your trash for our young core player isn't going to go over to well here, so stop it.

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06-18-2011, 09:26 PM
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Edler and Hamhuis are worth way more

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Its *To* not from

And Hodgson + 1st + rights to Ehrhoff (conditional 2012 1st if he doesn't sign) is fair

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Canucks fans need to stop including Samuelsson in every trade proposal. There's very few teams that will have interest in him, mostly the ones that are trying to win the Cup and have weakness on RW.

Your proposal doesn't really address any of Columbus' needs. They do need a Top 6 3 center, but Hodgson isn't there yet and likely won't be for another few years.
Fixed it for you. We have three top-6 centers, not counting Johansen. What we seriously need are blueliners, but we'll take a #1C if the opportunity arises.

If you swap out Hodgson with something like Ballard+Ehrhoff's UFA rights and make the 1st conditional and in 2012 (we get it only if Ehrhoff doesn't sign here), that could work. Samuelsson isn't getting any younger, but he'd nicely fill that top-6 hole left by trading Jake.

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Edler and Hamhuis are worth way more
That's what it would take to have Voracek sent the other way. A low first, a forever prospect, and a random salary dump isn't going to get you a young dynamic winger.

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Its *To* not from

And Hodgson + 1st + rights to Ehrhoff (conditional 2012 1st if he doesn't sign) is fair
Yeah, no. We'd like to actually have something more than just a bunch of futures if that UFA resigning attempt doesn't work out, kthx.

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That's what it would take to have Voracek sent the other way. A low first, a forever prospect, and a random salary dump isn't going to get you a young dynamic winger.
Samuelsson is far from a "random salary dump". He makes $2.5m (for one more year), plays RW, and is a 50-point guy. He'd do very nicely as a stand-in for Jake - and I'd love to have someone like him opposite Umberger to help ease Johansen into the NHL. Wouldn't stay there long term, but we've got a metric ****ton of quality winger prospects, so he doesn't really have to.

The OP's trade is actually nice for us value-wise; it just doesn't meet needs.

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06-18-2011, 09:59 PM
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Samuelsson is far from a "random salary dump". He makes $2.5m (for one more year), plays RW, and is a 50-point guy. He'd do very nicely as a stand-in for Jake - and I'd love to have someone like him opposite Umberger to help ease Johansen into the NHL. Wouldn't stay there long term, but we've got a metric ****ton of quality winger prospects, so he doesn't really have to.

The OP's trade is actually nice for us value-wise; it just doesn't meet needs.
Actually it kind of blows, you're basically trading Voracek for a low first, someone who has the potential to pan out as a #2 center and a winger who is way on the wrong side of 30.

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Edler for Voracek...

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That's what it would take to have Voracek sent the other way. A low first, a forever prospect, and a random salary dump isn't going to get you a young dynamic winger.
Heh.

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Edler + Hodgson/Schroeder for Voracek + 8th overall

Seems fair to me how bout you guys?

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Edler and Hamhuis are worth way more
Edler is worth a little more, Hamhuis is not. Voracek is a very good player and would be incredible with Kesler. Columbus would not give him up for Ballard, Samuelsson, or late first picks. If you want a top 6 (borderline top 3) wing, you have to be willing to give up a top 6 F or top 4 D +, or a top 3 F or top 2 D for Voracek plus very little.

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Edler + Hodgson/Schroeder for Voracek + 8th overall

Seems fair to me how bout you guys?
I'd take Edler + Hodgson for Jake + 8th. And Jake is my favorite CBJ...

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Edler + Hodgson/Schroeder for Voracek + 8th overall

Seems fair to me how bout you guys?
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Samuelsson is far from a "random salary dump". He makes $2.5m (for one more year), plays RW, and is a 50-point guy. He'd do very nicely as a stand-in for Jake - and I'd love to have someone like him opposite Umberger to help ease Johansen into the NHL. Wouldn't stay there long term, but we've got a metric ****ton of quality winger prospects, so he doesn't really have to.

The OP's trade is actually nice for us value-wise; it just doesn't meet needs.
You know for all of our supposed great wingers or good wingers, or the theory that wingers are easy to come by, why in the hell haven't we ever been able to get or develop these so called good wingers before, or acquire these types? You don't toss one of our actual quality wingers away for a player who would most likely suck for us, a crappy draft pick, and a who knows what he is doing, prospect. The ops proposal is crap, it has no value to Columbus as it meets no needs for a young team that would be giving up a dynamic young winger.

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The Only Thing Within Reason I See Columbus Taking For Voracek Is Probably Edler.

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06-19-2011, 12:18 AM
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Edler and Ballard for Jake + 8th Overall + Methot....

What I'd do...

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Edler and Ballard for Jake + 8th Overall + Methot....

What I'd do...
Canucks have no interest in trading Edler.

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Jake shall stay in Columbus then

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Canucks have no interest in trading Edler.
If they did they would probably need to keep Ballard anyways.

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Samuelsson is far from a "random salary dump". He makes $2.5m (for one more year), plays RW, and is a 50-point guy. He'd do very nicely as a stand-in for Jake - and I'd love to have someone like him opposite Umberger to help ease Johansen into the NHL. Wouldn't stay there long term, but we've got a metric ****ton of quality winger prospects, so he doesn't really have to.

The OP's trade is actually nice for us value-wise; it just doesn't meet needs.
Samuelsson is also gonna be turnign 35 years old this coming season. No reason why the Jackets should give up a young RW like Voracek for him

Hodgson has talent but also his back would be concern for a team acquiring him. Having back problems at his age should be red flag to any team. (I know because Bolland has had back problems ,, If I was GM as much as I love Bolland I dont touch him because of it)

THe Nucks 1st is late so not very valuable

As others have said the only guy on Nucks who the Jackets would give Voracek up for would be Edler who would fit there needs perfectly

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Edler for Voracek seems fair value.

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