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6 concepts presented and not all had a salary cap in them.



The National Hockey League and NHL Players' Association met for four hours on Wednesday, July 21 in New York. Following the meeting, NHL Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer Bill Daly met with the media. Following are excerpts of his media availability.

Bill Daly: We had a four-hour meeting today. It was another step in the process. It was a good step, it was a very substantive discussion we had today. We provided the union with a six-page document that detailed six different concepts for a new system that would achieve our objectives in collective bargaining. We took them through the concepts in detail.

Q: Were they six different possibilities or one?

Bill Daly: Yes, they were six different possibilities. They are all fundamentally different concepts.

Q: Do they all include a salary cap?

Bill Daly: No.

Q: Do you think you've taken a step forward?

Bill Daly: What we have said to the union all along is that there are a lot of different ways to do this. There are certain objectives we need to achieve and we are committed to achieving those objectives, but there are a lot of different ways to skin this cat. Today's meeting was about trying to give the union some sense of the different ideas we had in mind.

I would say that the good part that I take away from the meeting today is that the union has asked us to give them more detailed information, more backup information, more of the modeling information we've done on a variety of these concepts. So to me, at least we are discussing more firm concepts.

Q: In the past you were quibbling about the numbers, the Arthur Levitt report. Is that all finished with? Do you both trust each other and respect the numbers you are presenting?

Bill Daly: From our perspective the numbers have never been a major issue in this negotiation. It's never been a focus of our collective bargaining discussions or sessions to date and it continues not to be an issue.

Q: Has another meeting been set?

Bill Daly: Yes, it will be on Wednesday, August 4th.

Q: Any words of hope for the NHL fans?

Bill Daly: I think today was good in the sense that we had a good candid dialogue and we have to continue to work at it. We remain hopeful that if we continue to work at it, good things will happen.

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the good thing is that the nhl are willing to open up options. The only question are they realistic?

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TSN said the owners were deadset on a hard cap, despite the wording of their proposals.

No progress was made, and from all perspectives, the lockout is a 100% certainty, and hoping for a midseason agreement seems unlikely.

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How about we do a "lock down". Lock the U?ion and NHL in a room until they come to an agreement or they all suffocate ....

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first this is about the most biased source you can find...

second, as far as gary bettman is concerned if you call a cap 'cost certainty' then it is no longer a cap. so to be honest, i don't believe them that there was no cap involved, they just called it something different

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second, as far as gary bettman is concerned if you call a cap 'cost certainty' then it is no longer a cap. so to be honest, i don't believe them that there was no cap involved, they just called it something different
There are lots of reports out there. They all vary, but also have one thing in common. They pretty much all state that Bettman refuses to negotiate anything, until the Union agrees to a hard cap.

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Bettman refuses to negotiate anything, until the Union agrees to a hard cap.
Exactly. Bettman wants player revenue to account for a specific percentage of total revenue (65% I think). It's currently far above that number and greater than that of any other sport - which is hard to believe when you consider baseball player salaries.

There will be a lockout. Book it. This is as much about power as about money. The NHLPA would like to have the strength of the MLBPA in terms of what it will and will not do, what it will and will not accept. (What union wouldn't?) Bettman would like to win back for the owners something along the lines of the NFL ownership power. And the thing is this: either or both sides are willing to give money to the other. Power is something quite different.

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A one year lockout in the nhl would ruin the owners. I predict when the kill button for the season is about to be pushed reason will overcome both sides. The NHL does have a bit of a trump card with Gretzky as an owner.

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There are lots of reports out there. They all vary, but also have one thing in common. They pretty much all state that Bettman refuses to negotiate anything, until the Union agrees to a hard cap.
yep and the nhlpa won't even talk about it...

thats one positive from today is that the meeting lasted 4 hours which means it wasn't simply: Goodenow: "no cap" Bettman: "thanks for coming we're done"

neither side feels pressure to budge right now and probably won't till it gets closer to the deadline...my prediction is that they will get serious and go into panic mode about sept 10th, which might be too late to get a deal done before the 15th

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There will be a lockout. Book it. This is as much about power as about money. The NHLPA would like to have the strength of the MLBPA in terms of what it will and will not do, what it will and will not accept. (What union wouldn't?) Bettman would like to win back for the owners something along the lines of the NFL ownership power. And the thing is this: either or both sides are willing to give money to the other. Power is something quite different.
Agreed 100%, dedalus. This is a big power struggle between the owners and players. Bettman wants to break the union, a la the NFL. He also believes that his trump card are that hockey is comprised of hardcore fans that will return no matter how long he locks the season out for.

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