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06-19-2011, 11:06 PM
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This thread is laughs. Colborne and Kadri BOTH need to stay and will stay. That means NOT trading either of these players to gain a spot somewhere further up the draft order. They deserve and shot and they will get it.

Lets be serious OP. Think long term before we going dishing off Kadri and other sorts for players with years of high mileage all built up.

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06-19-2011, 11:09 PM
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and you speculated back then that Tukka Rask was the far superior goaltender?
It doesnt matter who anyone thought looked better. The lesson to be learned here is about letting prospects develop and trading 1 guy because you have multiple strong prospects at a position can be a disaster.
Most people had Reimer at 3rd or 4th on our depth chart for yound/prospect tenders. What if we traded him just because we had depth?
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but aren't most people speculating that Kadri will be best suited as a winger?
Some think he would be some dont. It's pretty split but I would say the majority see him as a center. But what if he is better suited for the wing?
To create long term success you need to have good prospects coming up at all positions.

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06-19-2011, 11:12 PM
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A few things make me think of this:

Colborne has the potential to be a Burke-like big Center.
Colborne was acquired because he is close to NHL ready.
Kadri seems to be 2 years behind in development.
Kadri was drafted because he was the best available player at number 7.
If Kadri is best suited for the wing (a 3rd line winger), than couldn't Burke just pick up a better winger via free agency?

Dear OP. Colbourne was draft in 08, and has played 1 NHL game.
Kadri in 09 and has played 30 NHL games.

Who seems to be behind?

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06-19-2011, 11:26 PM
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Dear OP. Colbourne was draft in 08, and has played 1 NHL game.
Kadri in 09 and has played 30 NHL games.

Who seems to be behind?
Kadri was the better player when they both played in the same league as well.
Kadri had 0.93 ppg in the AHL. Colbourne had 0.56 ppg.

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06-19-2011, 11:30 PM
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If Kadri is 2 years behind in his development (which he isn't), than Colborne is 3.

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06-19-2011, 11:50 PM
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Kadri has more skill than Colbourne and is a significantly better play maker.
lets not throw away our best prospect, please.
People cry about trading youth, but half the threads on this damn forum are from fans hoping to trade our best prospects.



I'm getting tired of this hypocritical crap.

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06-19-2011, 11:52 PM
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Hell no.

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People cry about trading youth, but half the threads on this damn forum are from fans hoping to trade our best prospects.



I'm getting tired of this hypocritical crap.
It's only a few fans...

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agreement, just stop with your threads lol

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06-20-2011, 12:24 AM
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Kadri's future in the NHL appears to be on the wing. So no.

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06-20-2011, 12:38 AM
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Trade our best prospect so our lesser prospect gets playing time? err....you should never be a coach or a GM.

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06-20-2011, 12:48 AM
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absolutely not, wow. Colborne is older and farther behind in development

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06-20-2011, 12:59 AM
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A few things make me think of this:

Colborne has the potential to be a Burke-like big Center.
Colborne was acquired because he is close to NHL ready.
Kadri seems to be 2 years behind in development.
Kadri was drafted because he was the best available player at number 7.
If Kadri is best suited for the wing (a 3rd line winger), than couldn't Burke just pick up a better winger via free agency?
IF this was Burke's mentality on prospects he should be chased out of town.

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06-20-2011, 01:02 AM
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maybe it's just me, but i keep hearing Burke refer to Colborne as "close to NHL ready", and I never hear him refer to kadri in the same way. A lot of people believe that Kadri still needs seasoning in the AHL. I too believe that. 2 years behind in development is a little strong i guess. I just expect a lot more from him, yet i get a sense that Colborne will get better opportunities this season.
Why would Burke refer to Kadri as close to NHL ready when he is already playing in the NHL?

Kadri is developing wonderfully in my opinion. He put up great numbers in the OHL the year after he was drafted. And then this season he went PPG in the AHL and is getting comfortable in the NHL. He's 20 years old so if you're expecting more from him then what he is doing now then I think it is you who is expecting too much, not Kadri underperforming

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06-20-2011, 01:09 AM
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but aren't most people speculating that Kadri will be best suited as a winger?
Management hasn't said much on that issue. Kadri is underrated as a center and the only reason he wasn't playing center this year is because he isn't ready to handle the defensive responsibilities of a center yet in the NHL

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06-20-2011, 01:27 AM
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Why does every prospect have to make another expendable?

Things to note:

Kadri is more talented then Colborne
Kadri's point record indicates that he is a slow developer that can have big benefits
Kadri is an amazing playmaker

Colborne has size but doesn't use it
Colborne still has to fill out his frame
Colborne isn't at the level of skill Kadri is at right now

Kadri is a year or two ahead of Colborne in development why is he expendable? If anything it's vice-versa.

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06-20-2011, 01:47 AM
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Lol no. Kadri is probably more NHL-ready at this point than Colborne is, and is a better playmaker.

Colborne is a great prospect too with insane skill for a guy his size, but he still has a lot of work to do. He needs to round out his size (he's tall but kinda lanky), be more physical (often criticized for being too soft), and work on his defensive game as well as show more confidence.

In terms of confidence level and swagger Kadri is miles ahead of Colborne. Kadri is also grittier despite being a lot smaller.

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06-20-2011, 02:45 AM
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Why can't we have both?

Seriously a team needs 12 forwards, why is having one more forward prospect means our top prospect is expendable? I don't get this logic.

Guess we can trade Schenn now that we got Aulie and Gardiner right? No.

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06-20-2011, 02:51 AM
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and you speculated back then that Tukka Rask was the far superior goaltender?
A lot of Leaf fans speculated that Rask was the better goaltender, he outplayed Pogge at the world juniors(Pogge played great but Rask was redonkulous with that 50+ save shutout of sweeden and was a tournament all star).

Now regardless we could have kept both, they could have both competed for a Job and Rask would be our #1 right now and Pogge would either still be developing or would have been traded by now as well. We're in a rebuilding phase(re-tooling whatever) you don't trade away youth.

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06-20-2011, 03:20 AM
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As Leaf fans we may have the most passionate fan base in hockey but at the same time our fan base is one of the most unknowledgeable. I'm sick of reading threads like these. Why on God's green earth would you give up Colborne for? I ask this for the OP cause I want to get an answer. I want to know what is going through his or her mind when he/she thinks of things like this. It's amazing how we get a couple of good prospects at the center position and all of a sudden someone thinks we have to trade one of them lol. You don't have to move any of them!!! First of all they are RFA's at some point so we own their rights so you don't have to force anything. Second of all what is wrong with these two battling it out for a spot rather than trade someone and annoint someone at the position? I wish people would either 1.) Think before they post or 2.) back their opinion up somehow. I'm about to take some time off here just for the fact that these stupid threads are getting out of hand. If people aren't going to use their brain once and a while then no point in contributing here.

Leaf Nation, we need more intelligent posts/posters.

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06-20-2011, 03:52 AM
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Kadri seems to be 2 years behind in development.
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06-20-2011, 04:19 AM
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I am not as convinced as others that Kadri won't be traded because I certinly think he can be had if the right deal for a center comes along.

That being said if you are going to deal ANY of Kessel, Kuelmin, Schenn, Phaneuf,Aulie,Kadri,Colborne,Reimer or Gardnier you better have a DAMN GOOD player coming back.

The Leafs FINALLY have some youth getting excited about if we trade any of it we better be getting a VERY good player back.

maybe another Phaneuf type trade is out there who knows, I guess we have to wait and see

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06-20-2011, 05:13 AM
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This Is Not Speculation
One definition of "speculation" is; reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

Yup, this is speculation.

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06-20-2011, 06:05 AM
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This thread is dumb why would Burke trade a player that has yet to play a full season with the club? Kadri is our best rookie and the only possibility I see if we traded him is for a player that is proven to put up huge numbers

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06-20-2011, 06:14 AM
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Kadri was the better player when they both played in the same league as well.
Kadri had 0.93 ppg in the AHL. Colbourne had 0.56 ppg.
Can't believe it took 53 posts to get to this.

This is all the proof needed to back up any arguement against the OP. Could this be one of the worst thought out threads by an OP this year? It's gotta be up there.


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06-20-2011, 06:19 AM
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so lets say I win 2 million dollars in the lottery. I guess that means I should give 1 million away since I will still be a millionaire.

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