Here is something to think about: Atlanta moves to Winnipeg, I would guess that's gonna be a 35 mil swing next season, new TV deal now in place, TV numbers were incredible (as far as meeting expectations) in both Canada and the US this season and possibly both an NFL and NBA lockout leaving the NHL and MLB as the only games in town next October. How much does the cap go up NEXT season??? I'm going to guess....wait for it...10 mil increase for the cap next season.
It also gives 'peg some more space to make a splash. Indulge on a D-man like Kaberle or Markov if they make FA and some top-6 help (especially at C), which they can overpay for.
I don't know if it's going to rise, but if it does rise, I just wonder how many teams will take advantage of the whole cap. Teams like Nashville, while they have an amazing set up(in terms of scouting, and producing talent at both goalie and D-man), will never go out and sign a guy like Brad Richards to try put them over the playoff hump. Instead, their splashes are like trading for guys like Fisher or signing Lombardi.
With that being said, I'm glad the floor is fairly high though. $48 million means certain teams will have to put a fair bit of money into their teams. And if it's done smartly, it should make for a more competitive league.
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Yup, Tambellini is going to have to spend some money this summer whether he likes it or not.
He has to spend money regardless. No freaking way Gilbert Brule is a regular forward in the line-up and Strudwick anchors our bottom pairing. Hell to the no.
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So the Oilers will have to spend 11 million with only Smid, Cogs and Theo left to sign? We may have to bring a guy like Smitty back just to reach the floor
I don't know about that. RNH cap hit will be 3.75M, Souray buyout, plus re-signing RFA's might get you close. They probably will bring in a 3M-ish free agent too.
He'll have to go out and get players just to fill holes...and when those terrible players play terrible for us, we can forget why Tambellini had to sign them and criticize him for it(see Foster and Fraser).
Hah. There are very, very few players that are worse at their positions at this level than Kurtis Foster, Jason Strudwick and Colin Fraser.
Yeah that was a ridiculous hyperbole, I'd give him 5 over 3 year because of this raise.
I wouldn't mind overpaying a guy like Laich for a couple years if it means buying a little loyalty to sign a second deal with us when we need to worry more about cap space later on
We have nine spots to fill and we need to spend 11 mill to make the proposed floor. There is no problem and Tambellini isnt going to have to spend needlessly to get there. I find it hard to believe the claims of the Oilers losing money if the cap is tied to revenues and it keeps rising at such an alarming rate though.
Hah. There are very, very few players that are worse at their positions at this level than Kurtis Foster, Jason Strudwick and Colin Fraser.
I'm just saying that they weren't brought in because they're good. They're here because they're bodies. They weren't signed to 3 or 4 year deals. They aren't in the long term plans. They got 2 year deals because we had holes in our line up that would eventually be filled by good players once we're ready to make the playoffs. We all knew that going into last summer. Somewhere along the way people forgot and acted like they were supposed to actually be something decent.
I'm just saying that they weren't brought in because they're good. They're here because they're bodies. They weren't signed to 3 or 4 year deals. They aren't in the long term plans. They got 2 year deals because we had holes in our line up that would eventually be filled by good players once we're ready to make the playoffs. We all knew that going into last summer. Somewhere along the way people forgot and acted like they were supposed to actually be something decent.
I expected more out of a guy like foster, but their deal length never really pegged them as being long-term for this team.
It's not like we're calgary who make it manditory to give everyone a NMC.
However, this new cap number means the oilers should be in for an interesting summer. Just needing to get to the basement is going to take the addition of a contract or two(and I am factoring in RNH getting the max or near it in terms of cap hit as well as qualifying offers and other deals for the RFAs) to get to a comfortable level.
On the flip side it does mean the cap bloated teams are less desperate to unload their excess contracts.
cap floor is too high, this is getting to be a bit much
It's getting to the point where some of the weaker (financially-speaking) teams are going to be in some SERIOUS pain. They already were sucking wind, but now that's going to just leave a vaccuum.
Florida has to spend 29.7 M this summer to reach the floor.
Which is precisely why teams are going to want to trade for the Pronger, Kippers etc of the world toward the tail end of their deals
Better to pay a guy 1.5 million and get a 5-6 million cap hit out it.
Everyone freaks out about these guys making so little but having the huge cap hit when they are older, however these budget teams can have a pay roll of 18 million and a team cap hit of 50+ million quite easily.
Most hockey fans and pundits haven't thought of this...
It's getting to the point where some of the weaker (financially-speaking) teams are going to be in some SERIOUS pain. They already were sucking wind, but now that's going to just leave a vaccuum.
They will just get more money from revenue sharing won't they?
I imagine the amount of money that gets split increases as league revenues go up.
Makes a Luongo trade back there a real possibility IF Tallon is on board...but how does anyone have any idea if he would be down with that. Of course Luongo would have to waive as well but if I'm him, still has a home there, wife likes it there, kid was born there, gets away from all the pressure of Vancouver, I would think he would be game but who knows.
OT but if Luongo has any fight or will in him he sticks it out in Van.
Alright, since the cap is going up as it is, and we have the ridiculous cap space we do, would you guys consider buying out Shawn Horcoff?
His buyout cap hit, curtsey of capgeek is:
He's going to be our 3rd line C, and truth be told, I'd rather not pay him $5.5 for the next 4 seasons to do it.
With all this cap space, would you guys do it?
Those two seasons make it tough. In 3-4 years, we will hopefully be competitive and will need that space. I'd rather try trading him to a team that needs to get to the cap floor.
They will just get more money from revenue sharing won't they?
I imagine the amount of money that gets split increases as league revenues go up.
I'm sure it does, but I don't think it necessarily cancels out the increased costs that a team like, say, florida or NYI or even a self-imposed-cap team like the preds will have to deal with. I'd have to see some hard numbers of course, but it appears to be the case that even a bump in revenue sharing won't save teams from being in trouble.
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Alright, since the cap is going up as it is, and we have the ridiculous cap space we do, would you guys consider buying out Shawn Horcoff?
His buyout cap hit, curtsey of capgeek is:
He's going to be our 3rd line C, and truth be told, I'd rather not pay him $5.5 for the next 4 seasons to do it.
With all this cap space, would you guys do it?
As much as I hate paying that sort of cap hit for a 3rd line C, he still provides a valuable role on the team and we are already way too thin at centre to afford buying him out. Plus, that's a SCARY number of years to be compensating him. A buyout in even a year or two would probably make more sense, but I still don't see it happening.
Seems to me that this is starting to look like the pre lockout/no cap era. Have's and have not's. Teams that cannot spend to the max have no chance with the likes of Philly, Detroit, Vancouver and a few others. The cap floor makes it appear to be more equal, but that's just a smoke screen AFAIC.
1) Keep RNH up with the team
2) Sign Ville Leino to a 3-year, $8.7M contract
3) Sign Steve Montador to a 3-year, $9M contract
4) Give Smid $1.3M for another year, and Cogliano $1.25M for another year. Cut Fraser (somehow):
Taylor Hall ($3.750m) / Shawn Horcoff ($5.500m) / Ales Hemsky ($4.100m)
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson ($1.525m) / Sam Gagner ($2.275m) / Linus Omark ($0.875m) Ville Leino ($2.900m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($3.750m) / Jordan Eberle ($1.158m)
Teemu Hartikainen ($0.875m) / Gilbert Brule ($1.850m) / Ryan Jones ($1.500m)
Andrew Cogliano ($1.250m)
Tom Gilbert ($4.000m) / Ryan Whitney ($4.000m) Steve Montador ($3.000m) / Jeff Petry ($1.000m)
Kurtis Foster ($1.800m) / Ladislav Smid ($1.300m)
Theo Peckham ($0.550m)
Devan Dubnyk ($0.800m) / Nikolai Khabibulin ($3.750m)
BUYOUTS: Robert Nilsson ($0.416m)
CAP PAYROLL: $51,925,000
I think that could make a push for the playoffs...
Seems to me that this is starting to look like the pre lockout/no cap era. Have's and have not's. Teams that cannot spend to the max have no chance with the likes of Philly, Detroit, Vancouver and a few others. The cap floor makes it appear to be more equal, but that's just a smoke screen AFAIC.
part of it is the fact that they appear to treat the revenue streams as a single entity...so yeah, the overall revenue has gone up, but that might only be HALF of the teams accounting for it while the other half are recieving revenue sharing and have some very tight self-imposed caps.
So, those teams with significantly lower revenues (and therefore, self-capped salaries) are left somewhat out of the equation because the 'have' teams are making SO MUCH MONEY. It whitewashes the state of affairs in more fragile markets.
OT but if Luongo has any fight or will in him he sticks it out in Van.
Well some would call it the easy way out, others would call it smart. I agree if he is more worried about pride than being happy then he would say he won't waive to go anywhere. But me personally I would see a trade (just about anywhere) as an oppurtunity to not only improve my life off the ice but improve my play as well. Less spotlight is what this guy needs to be the tender he is capable of. He can go around in interviews all he wants saying "it's pressure to some but I just go out there and have fun!"...nobody is buying it. I wonder if he is trying to sell the public on that or himself when he says that cause I have heard him say that in at least 10 different interviews in the last year.
Well, this can only be seen as excellent news for us. We're guaranteed to have at least $8-9M worth of better players on the team, good to plug at least two big holes with dependable veterans. If Tambellini wants his team to be allowed to play next year, it has to get drastically better.
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and trade Souray to Florida for a draft pick. Something tells me Jovo ends up in FLA.
