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The whole idea of Colin Wilson for picks and prospects seems crazy when Nashville has such a good team that is ready to go deep in the playoffs.
Why not trade him in a package for a top line forward like Jeff Carter?
Carter's contract might be too long for the Predators but you get my point.
Colin Wilson would be one of the best young players on the trade market if he were available. Why just move him for picks in a poor draft and a prospect that MIGHT be good?
The Predators finally made it to the 2nd round this postseason. They have an outstanding goalie and defense.
Get a top line forward for Wilson and go for the Cup.
Bear in mind that this is not the OP's way of saying "Wilson for Kessel straight up". Nobody's quite that crazy. The idea was that Nashville was willing to send picks and other players, but Chiarelli kept asking about getting Wilson in the deal, and Poile kept saying no, so ultimately Kessel went to Toronto.
It's just an illustrative example.
I admit that was my first thought.
Still to even bringing it up is a bit silly.
I understand Preds are not interested in prospects and picks.
Same goes for the us. Hints Kulmin would not be traded for Wilson.
We don't make good trade partners ... unless you guys decide you need to dump one or both of Suter/Weber contracts.
I admit that was my first thought.
Still to even bringing it up is a bit silly.
I understand Preds are not interested in prospects and picks.
Same goes for the us. Hints Kulmin would not be traded for Wilson.
We don't make good trade partners ... unless you guys decide you need to dump one or both of Suter/Weber contracts.
I'm not making it up. The rumored deal that Nashville offered was basically the same as the one toronto offered, but Blum was in the deal isntead of a second first round pick. Boston balked and insisted on Wilson, and Nashville wouldn't do it (which I'm relieved by). So it was essentially picks(including a first) and Colin wilson for Kessel, which, despite your inter-scoffing, is a pretty steep price.
I'm not making it up. The rumored deal that Nashville offered was basically the same as the one toronto offered, but Blum was in the deal isntead of a second first round pick. Boston balked and insisted on Wilson, and Nashville wouldn't do it (which I'm relieved by). So it was essentially picks(including a first) and Colin wilson for Kessel, which, despite your inter-scoffing, is a pretty steep price.
Yes yes.
I do not deny that that happened. I just don't see why it would be brought up now. Kessel's value is a lot higher now then it was then.
Are you saying you would not trade Wilson + Austin Watson for Kessel, today?
Seriously ?
Like I said I would love Wilson with the Leafs but come on he is a long way from being as valuable as Kessel and Watson is not a deal breaker on the upgrade.
I understand not being that interested when Phil only had one very good season .. but he is kind of a lock today to put up 30/60 a year .. playing with AHLers/3rd liners.
Ok but no one is suggesting that Kessel should be coming back if Toronto wants Wilson+. It was merely barry saying that Wilson isn't going to be given up for picks and prospects now, when the team is looking to add one, maybe two, more piece(s) to be a favorite for the Cup if he wasn't traded in a package then to get Kessel.
Essentially it would be like receiving these two phone calls. "Hey, we're shopping Kessel. We really like Wilson. Oh, you're not interested now?" ... "Hey we're shopping (insert prospect) and some picks. We really like Wilson"
Like others have said, Wilson's value individually is hard to gauge. He is worth a lot to this franchise since we don't really have much in the way of offensive potential. The only way I see him leaving is in a package deal to get a legitimate goal scorer; someone who will help now rather than potentially help later. Toronto and Nashville don't make good partners.
Nashville and Toronto make bad trading partners. They need players with offensive upside that are ready and so do we.
We have picks but I'm sure if Burke got a call that Wilson was available he'd try to throw picks at Nashville and the Preds would want Kulemin (just using an example) or some NHL ready player.
Yes yes.
I do not deny that that happened. I just don't see why it would be brought up now. Kessel's value is a lot higher now then it was then.
Are you saying you would not trade Wilson + Austin Watson for Kessel, today?
Seriously ?
Like I said I would love Wilson with the Leafs but come on he is a long way from being as valuable as Kessel and Watson is not a deal breaker on the upgrade.
I understand not being that interested when Phil only had one very good season .. but he is kind of a lock today to put up 30/60 a year .. playing with AHLers/3rd liners.
What are you arguing lol? No one said Wilson was worth Kessel now...
I could see Tyler Bozek and a first for Colin Wilson - but I could much more easily see Nashville keeping Wilson... he's going to be a star and the preds know it.
I was wondering how Nashville values him and what it would take to get him from Nashville. I don't know how the organization would value him so I'm going out on a limb and saying a 1st round pick+ would that get it done?
In order to get Colin Wilson onto the Leafs' roster, they'd likely have to give up one of their few core scoring forwards (ie. Kulemin, Grabovski, or MacArthur), and maybe a little more depending on who was to be moved in the deal.
In my opinion, it would be a fairly lateral deal for both teams, and therefore neither team would really be overly interested in making such a swap. In this instance, Nashville and Toronto (as others have already stated) don't make good trade partners.
Now, if Nashville were willing to trade a defenceman like Franson or Blum to the Leafs in exchange for say.. Kadri or Colborne (for example), then Nashville and Toronto could be very good trade partners.
It's all about both teams filling a need and what the OP suggests doesn't do that for either team. Therefore, it wouldn't happen.
That was before Kessel scored 30+ every year since.
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No he wouldn't. And its not even close.
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Yes yes.
I do not deny that that happened. I just don't see why it would be brought up now. Kessel's value is a lot higher now then it was then.
Are you saying you would not trade Wilson + Austin Watson for Kessel, today?
Seriously ?
Like I said I would love Wilson with the Leafs but come on he is a long way from being as valuable as Kessel and Watson is not a deal breaker on the upgrade.
I understand not being that interested when Phil only had one very good season .. but he is kind of a lock today to put up 30/60 a year .. playing with AHLers/3rd liners.
Let me translate the bolded section from Leafese to English: "Kessel's value is a lot higher in my head than it was then, because he plays for my team."
Nobody is suggesting that Wilson could get you Kessel now, in part because the Leafs effectively can't trade Kessel for anyone short of Crosby without looking like dummies, whereas the Bruins knew they were going to dump him one way or another. The entire point of the comparison is just to give an idea of what Nashville has passed on acquiring because they preferred to keep Colin Wilson. It's context. It's not a proposal. It looks like they'd be looking for immediate value comparable to what Kessel looked like he was worth after his last year with the Bruins, since if they didn't want that much, they would've taken Kessel.
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I could see Tyler Bozek and a first for Colin Wilson
Presumably you could also see DJ King and Washington's 1st for Nazem Kadri. I'd love to make some deals with you.
Let me translate the bolded section from Leafese to English: "Kessel's value is a lot higher in my head than it was then, because he plays for my team."
No.
Kessel's value is a lot higher then Wilsons. Because Kessel is by far the better player.
2 unknown 1sts for Kessel is a bargain.
It sucks they got Seguin. But it still is not a horrible trade.
Not trading Kessel has nothing to do with looking like dummies.
Kessel is a 23 year old who does nothing but put up 30+ goals. Not what I would call trade bait.
That is what you want to talk about ITT ? The Kessel trade right ?
The question here is would Wilson play top 6 minutes in Toronto this year? If not, then why would they acquire him? Nashville are not shopping him and will be patient with him, so unless Toronto comes to the table with something that the Predators really want/need I don't see this as a winner for either team. The Predators do have a glut of young centres (O'Reilly, Geoffrion, Wilson) in a team that is already solid down the middle (Lombardi, Legwand, Fisher, Smithson) so they can afford to move one, but chances are it won't be Wilson unless someone brings a bona-fide top 6 winger in the deal.
No.
Kessel's value is a lot higher then Wilsons. Because Kessel is by far the better player.
2 unknown 1sts for Kessel is a bargain.
It sucks they got Seguin. But it still is not a horrible trade.
Not trading Kessel has nothing to do with looking like dummies.
Kessel is a 23 year old who does nothing but put up 30+ goals. Not what I would call trade bait.
That is what you want to talk about ITT ? The Kessel trade right ?
Just curious, but did you actually read the entirety of his post or was one sentence enough for you? Part of me thinks you did read on, hence the reference to the word 'dummies.' But that finding is completely contradicted by your entire post, which seems completely unnecessary in light of his second paragraph. Few people, if any, think Wilson is better than Kessel.
Just curious, but did you actually read the entirety of his post or was one sentence enough for you? Part of me thinks you did read on, hence the reference to the word 'dummies.' But that finding is completely contradicted by your entire post, which seems completely unnecessary in light of his second paragraph. Few people, if any, think Wilson is better than Kessel.
I'd ignore him personally. I'm trying to figure out which banned user he happens to be
Just to clarify for people, Wilson has pretty much been permanently moved to the wing position. He'll sub in for a center every now and then, but consider him a winger for now on. He looked much better there than at center.
Preds get their secondary scoring from Mac (good for 50 points) and a decent centre prospect with size
We don't need secondary scoring, as pretty much our entire roster is secondary scoring. Colborne would get eaten by Trotz.
Wilson is a big part of this team going forward, has improved each season in the organization and is doubtful to be moved unless in a package for a true top line scorer.
If Wilson were to come available, I think a lot of teams would be offering up what HF would consider to be an overpayment. He has all the tools, but I dončt think Nashville has been using him properly.
If Wilson were to come available, I think a lot of teams would be offering up what HF would consider to be an overpayment. He has all the tools, but I don't think Nashville has been using him properly.
This is probably true, but Trotz tends to be slow in the amount of responsibility he gives his younger players (even going back to Suter being scratched in the playoffs his first year). Wilson has shown some great stretches of play, at times being our most effective forward, but he is inconsistent in his effort level and dedication to both sides of the game. That isn't going to cut it with Trotz, which is the reason Wilson has found himself scratched from time to time (and in the playoffs), while more dependable players like Halischuk and Spaling have not.
All that said, Wilson has great talent, and has continued to show strides in his game. I really think this will be a breakout year for him coming up.
