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06-20-2011, 11:17 PM
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That's obvious but I'd think that if the Wild add something it could be plausible.

Although i'm not sure if NJ wants to keep Parise.

yea, youre right. 40 goal/80-90 point players entering their prime just grow on trees. they probably arent interested in that.

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06-21-2011, 01:08 AM
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Don't get your hopes up, Russo also has an article saying how difficult it would be to move Burns, saying the deal would have to be a grandslam. Also in that article was the fact that Burns is in initial talks about re-signing come July 1.

If Parise isn't in the deal doubt anything happens. 90% of trade talks end in no deal.


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06-21-2011, 01:46 AM
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So ever since we talked about this on the Devils board, I wanted Burns. Great Dman, with huge potential.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/124167893.html

Apparently the Devils and Wild have talked about Burns



Would the Wild Take (Just trying to gauge value, please constructive criticism. Dont make this a flame war between Devils, and Wild Fans.




4th Overall
Cap Dump Clarkson or Zubrus
Eric Gelinas (#7 Rated Devils Prospect) or Brandon Burlon (#5 Rated Devils Prospect)
2nd Rounder Next Year

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Only, and Only if Burns agrees to a new contract beforehand.

Wow, I love how much everyone on these boards seems to be over valuing Brent Burns. As a Wild fan I would be absolutely THRILLED (so would Chuck Fletcher) if the Devils offered anything with #4 overall and the Wild didn't throw in #10 pick.

Drafting Couturier at 4 would be the perfect player for the Wild. They have a ton of depth at D and could use #10 to draft an offensive Dman. I think the Devils would be crazy to offer that much for the inconsistent, often injured and soon to be overpaid Burns.

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06-21-2011, 07:38 AM
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Burns is being completely overrated. We aren't trading assets like Parise or the fourth overall. Russo mentioned Zubrus and Rolston, and like apice said, I can't see how that deal would go down, assuming Fletcher isn't a moron.

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If Parise wanted to go home so bad to his hometown team, wouldn't he just sign there and make sure Minnsota pays nothing for him?

Burns would cost you a top 5 pick, a top prospect, and an NHL capable player of good value.

I doubt New Jersey can afford that.
He's not worth anywhere near that much, so if thats the asking price, we'll pass on him, quite easily.

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06-21-2011, 07:59 AM
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Wow, OP is overrating burns by a bit there..I wouldn't do that package personally. But I'm not a GM, so..

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we make one minor league deal with this tteam and we're suddenly best buds?

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Are you serious? Of course you have to pay to get Burns. With 4th overall pick (assuming its Larsson) you'll be lucky if he'll ever be as good as Burns. Nothing is guaranteed, Bogosian was a high pick and is yet to prove a lot. And you bring in the fact that Burns has had injuries, but Parise just missed basically the whole season and you don't lower his value. Offering Josefson and one other prospect is not enough. Josefson isn't proven player like Burns. Actually Josefson is yet to score PPG at any level I think. He's only 20, but 10 points in 28 games (NHL) and some collegiate prospect WON'T land you Mr. Burns!

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If they want to do a true rebuild then a Merrill and Tedenby combo would make more sense IMHO. Get a top 6 winger right away with a low cap hit and a top pairing potential D-man.

If Parise would be traded, I would much rather get a player like Karlsson or Jack Johnson instead, but that's just my preference.
Burns is on a completely different level than those two players.

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06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
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Wow, OP is overrating burns by a bit there..I wouldn't do that package personally. But I'm not a GM, so..
Really? His deal wasn't good enough for the WILD. Burns is a beast.

And BTW, Parise is the most overrated player in the game. Parise=Burns

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06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
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Yeah, if I were the Devils I wouldn't be offering a ton for Burns. He's had injury problems in his career and has only broke the 28 point barrier twice in the NHL.
This. He may have more talent than any other Dman on the Devils roster, but his injuries should limit the Devils what they should offer.

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This. He may have more talent than any other Dman on the Devils roster, but his injuries should limit the Devils what they should offer.
He played 80 games last season. You don't pay the lower value that he used to have, you pay the value he has now

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I hope the Wild just keep Burns - the guy is just a classic goofball, and a great hockey player. 6'5" 220 pound defensemen who skate like the wind, play with jam, and are capable of 40+ points just don't come along that often.

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Yeah, if I were the Devils I wouldn't be offering a ton for Burns. He's had injury problems in his career and has only broke the 28 point barrier twice in the NHL.
Then Parise shouldn't be marketed as 40g, 90p player because he has only broken that barrier once. oh an those horrible, horrible injuries Parise had last season..

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Really? His deal wasn't good enough for the WILD. Burns is a beast.

And BTW, Parise is the most overrated player in the game. Parise=Burns


ok, buddy. care to at least explain yourself? how is a 40 goal/80-90 point player who is good defensively overrated, exactly?

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06-21-2011, 10:23 AM
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ok, buddy. care to at least explain yourself? how is a 40 goal/90 point player who is good defensively overrated, exactly?
My perception of him from these boards and Devils fans is an unquestioned top 10 player in the league when taking all positions into account. I disagree.

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06-21-2011, 10:30 AM
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My perception of him from these boards and Devils fans is an unquestioned top 10 player in the league when taking all positions into account. I disagree.
i would say hes a top 10 forward.

not top 10 overall, though.

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I think most would have him in the top 10 forwards, actually. I think many would have him top 10. I see Burns being somewhere around 40.

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My perception of him from these boards and Devils fans is an unquestioned top 10 player in the league when taking all positions into account. I disagree.
He's a top 3 winger, a top 10 forward, and a top 20 player. He's pretty much a lock of 35+ goals and 45+ assists (at least pre-injury) while being among the top 10-15 defenisvely responsible forwards. Not sure how that qualifies him as being overrated.

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I could see Burns + 10th overall for Parise. But Minnesota is not going to make a trade with Burns if he is the best player in the deal.

Or possibly something like Burns + Kuemper for Parise. New Jersey gets a goalie of the future.

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06-21-2011, 05:46 PM
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My perception of him from these boards and Devils fans is an unquestioned top 10 player in the league when taking all positions into account. I disagree.
He's definitely one of the top 10 forwards. Devils fans have very good reason to rate him highly.

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Even if the Devils want Burns this deal will likely never happen because NJ doesn't have assets to acquire him. The Devils appear to want Burns but don't have the assets to make it happen.

Parise=not happening (Devils won't do it because Parise is a top winger and rightfully so)
4th overall=not enough, sorry you don't trade a top pairing defensemen for a maybe that's how GM's lose their job and Devil fans should be smart enough to realize that)
Merrill= talented but not enough, he could be Brian Rafalski or Wade Redden
Zajac=not enough, sorry he struggled to produce offense without Parise

The deal I thought had value for both teams:

Burns (stud puck moving defenseman)
Clutterbuck (league hits leader/unknown offensive upside)

for

Parise (stud winger)
Clarkson (fills physical void)

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Really? His deal wasn't good enough for the WILD. Burns is a beast.

And BTW, Parise is the most overrated player in the game. Parise=Burns


So the best American-Born player in the NHL is now over-rated?...

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So ever since we talked about this on the Devils board, I wanted Burns. Great Dman, with huge potential.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/124167893.html

Apparently the Devils and Wild have talked about Burns



Would the Wild Take (Just trying to gauge value, please constructive criticism. Dont make this a flame war between Devils, and Wild Fans.




4th Overall
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Eric Gelinas (#7 Rated Devils Prospect) or Brandon Burlon (#5 Rated Devils Prospect)
2nd Rounder Next Year

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Burns

Only, and Only if Burns agrees to a new contract beforehand.
Sorry but the Wild don't need the Devils spare parts. If the Wild were in full rebuild mode then maybe they take a deal centered around the 4th overall. Otherwise the prospects have little interest and a 2nd rounder next year...no thanks!

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The deal I thought had value for both teams:

Burns (stud puck moving defenseman)
Clutterbuck (league hits leader/unknown offensive upside)

for

Parise (stud winger)
Clarkson (fills physical void)
AINEC I wouldn't trade Parise for Burns + Clutter let alone add in Clarkson. I mean, some NJ fans are willing to rip out their heart in order to get a #1 defensemen, but Parise is just such a great player with so much heart, and so likable I wouldn't even consider it. Burns is a quality top pairing player, but Parise is a tier above him as an elite player.

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