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06-21-2011, 11:27 PM
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Really? His deal wasn't good enough for the WILD. Burns is a beast.

And BTW, Parise is the most overrated player in the game. Parise=Burns
Would you say Burns = Toews or Kane?

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06-21-2011, 11:40 PM
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Devils wont trade Parise to get Burns.

sorry.

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06-22-2011, 12:40 AM
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Burns for the 4th overall makes sense for both teams - new jersey gets better right away and Minnesota gets some high profile talent for the rebuild; however, our ownership won't commit to a full rebuild so that trade won't happen. In all likelihood, we'll end up signing burns long term

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06-22-2011, 01:28 AM
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Burns for the 4th overall makes sense for both teams - new jersey gets better right away and Minnesota gets some high profile talent for the rebuild; however, our ownership won't commit to a full rebuild so that trade won't happen. In all likelihood, we'll end up signing burns long term
No actually it doesn't make sense for the Wild. Burns is young, and just reaching his prime...he's the exact type of player to build around for many years to come.

The Wild would prefer to keep him and likely will.

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06-22-2011, 02:16 AM
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I said this before:

4th + Tedenby + Zubrus/Rolston

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Burns + 2nd Rounder (Or whatever their next highest pick other than the 10th is)

For whatever we could get with the 4th Burns fills a need the Devils have at the blueline. I feel under the tutelage of Robinson and Stevens Burns could develop into the the guy we need.

Wild need scoring wingers/forwards, Tedenby is a future top 6 guy and Rolston/Zubrus provide some veteran scoring, Rolston with his big shot or Zubrus with his gritty goals. Plus the Devils dump some salary and the Wild get a top 4 pick.

The catch with this is that Burns would have to guarantee to re-sign with the Devils in order for this trade to happen, otherwise it's not at all good for the Devils.

So am I out of my mind with this?

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06-22-2011, 02:43 AM
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Only if Larson still there and then NJ wont do it.

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06-22-2011, 07:19 AM
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IMO i don't think the value is there for NJ to deal for Burns. I'd say the plus of adding Burns isn't worth the negative of losing Tedenby and the 4th overall. Besides these rumoured "talks" probably aren't substantial. the wild value Burns like we value Parise, which probably means there isn't a reasonable deal to be made

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06-22-2011, 07:27 AM
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If Devils want Burns its proven coming back and its likely after the draft so the 4th doesn't mean squat.

To those saying Burns= Parise GTFO no seriously Burns is awesome but Parise is something else let me put it this way, if you build a top line in the NHL at center you have Crosby or Datsyuk at wing you have Ovie at other wing you have Parise, yes Parise is that good, don't look at his points look at his complete game, he'll be a 50g guy in his prime maybe more and he will still play a complete game.

So if wild want Parise which they do, its either because they luck out and parise makes it to FA or because they pony up what it would take in assets which would strip the Wild of barely anything.

So in summary, if NJD wants burns they need to pony up proven NHL talent which aside from Parise they don't really have to land burns or overpay to all hell with prospects which they won't, If MN wants Parise say goodbye ot Burns and Granlund and then some and I am a wild die hard fan, Parise won't be cheap.

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06-22-2011, 07:29 AM
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IMO i don't think the value is there for NJ to deal for Burns. I'd say the plus of adding Burns isn't worth the negative of losing Tedenby and the 4th overall. Besides these rumoured "talks" probably aren't substantial. the wild value Burns like we value Parise, which probably means there isn't a reasonable deal to be made
pretty much spot on, Wild want to build around Burns and its option one, if he is up for trade just as IF Parise is up for trade, Wild will be asking for an overpayment, there are teams that would want to do it but it won't be NJD.

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06-22-2011, 07:50 AM
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Burns is not overrated, he is a young, proven top pairing D-man that eats minutes and can contribute offense

Parise is not overrated, he is a young, proven elite top line winger

This is HFBoards: picks and prospects are overrated. People value them based on what they MIGHT do, this is very different than young players that actually have done it.

Is there a potential Burns to NJ deal out there that doesn't include Parise? Probably. But any deal that would get done in real life would be considered massive overpayment by HF standards.

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06-22-2011, 08:12 AM
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not sure if this is relevant, but when you're talking about 40 goal scorers etc there seem to be around the same number of those per year than defensemen who can score 15 goals in the last couple of years. From a rarity standpoint they're on par.

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06-22-2011, 10:03 AM
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how is burns defensively right now? and how good can he potentially be working with guys like scott stevens and larry robinson?

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not sure if this is relevant, but when you're talking about 40 goal scorers etc there seem to be around the same number of those per year than defensemen who can score 15 goals in the last couple of years. From a rarity standpoint they're on par.
Exactly. That was my point. Burns is legit threat to score 20 from the blue line every year, is a very good defender and hitter. I think if you took a poll of GMs as to who they would rather have, it would be close.

Toews IMO is on another level than both players and he posseses all of the traits I value in a hockey player. He's one of the most complete players in the game and the main reason the Hawks won the Cup and are a contender.

I think Kane can and will be a 100 PT player, possibly next year. He's one of the most dynamic offensive players in the league and the Hawks are very lucky to have him. Hypothetically, if we had a poor defense, I'd trade him for Burns and the 10th overall.

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06-22-2011, 10:15 AM
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And BTW, Parise is the most overrated player in the game. Parise=Burns
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06-22-2011, 10:16 AM
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how is burns defensively right now? and how good can he potentially be working with guys like scott stevens and larry robinson?
He's definitely above average as a defender, but keep in mind he is a converted winger. He makes the odd bad mistake, but if you gave him the kind of instruction the above two could provide, the sky is the limit. As good as he is, there is still untapped potential. This is a guy who could be in the Norris conversation every year on a team like New Jersey.

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06-22-2011, 10:29 AM
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The only different between Toews and Parise is that Toews plays the admittedly more valuable position of center. Other than that, Parise is every bit as good right now. Moving forward, of course, that may change.

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Exactly. That was my point. Burns is legit threat to score 20 from the blue line every year, is a very good defender and hitter. I think if you took a poll of GMs as to who they would rather have, it would be close.

Toews IMO is on another level than both players and he posseses all of the traits I value in a hockey player. He's one of the most complete players in the game and the main reason the Hawks won the Cup and are a contender.

I think Kane can and will be a 100 PT player, possibly next year. He's one of the most dynamic offensive players in the league and the Hawks are very lucky to have him. Hypothetically, if we had a poor defense, I'd trade him for Burns and the 10th overall.
Lol West Conferance fans undervaluing Parise... Have you seen him play? All 30 gms would 100% take Parise...

Parise is also one of the most complete players in the game, and the main reason the Hawks won the cup was 67 mill in depth. Replace Parise with Toews and the Devs are still out in the first round, and the Hawks still win the cup. You could also say the say thing about the Olympics, except the gold medal game wouldn't even go into OT; it would likely be a blowout.

So you would say Kane is worth Burns and 10th but Parise who has been repeatedly argued to be better then Kane is only = to Burns.... Parise has put up 90+ points with an average center and a 2nd line right winger, while being the best 2 way line in the game.

Go back to posting lopsided trades and bragging that the Hawks won 1 cup in 50 years...

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Although i'm not sure if NJ wants to keep Parise.
I think you mean Parise doesn't want to be a NJ Devil.

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I think you mean Parise doesn't want to be a NJ Devil.
sigh, I see another ill informed poster has reared its ugly head in parise discussions

when will it end?

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