I think our guys would say something like: "Our fans are very patient, let's see how long we can keep that up?"
Granted we're more active on big trades at the draft than any other time but let's not get our hopes up. That way if something good does happen, we can be pleasantly surprised. Could be worse, we could be Philly right now.
Seriously the #3 overall is the only big trade bait we got. Nothing major will happen with us this draft.
Not sure.. depends on what they need to spend on Simmonds/Voracek (both RFA I believe). But the cap went up too, so I don't know.
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PHI trades don't help their cap situation. Bryzgalov-Richards is a wash. Simmonds/Voracek/Schenn will total more then Carter. Another move?
Would nto mind Versteeg but wouldn't give up more than a third round pick for him, since we would be doing them a favor by picking up his salary. Am extremely dissapointed that two number one centers were traded from philly and we are again on the sidelines watching.
Anybody else think that after "The Blueprint" makes it's moves this off-season we're all going to be disappointed especially after Columbus acquired Carter and LA acquired Richards today?
Not me. Anybody looking for a quick fix will be though.
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Scott Howson on Carter deal: "Our fans have been very patient, it's been 10 years now, and we just had to do something."
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What he left out is that if he doesn't make the playoffs this season, he's going to be fired.
Not me. Anybody looking for a quick fix will be though.
Quick fix makes it sound like it would be a bad thing to acquire a star player. We could have made that move and kept this franchise going in the right direction. It would have made our goal of being a playoff team come much sooner.
Would nto mind Versteeg but wouldn't give up more than a third round pick for him, since we would be doing them a favor by picking up his salary. Am extremely dissapointed that two number one centers were traded from philly and we are again on the sidelines watching.
There are other fish in the sea.
Richards wouldn't have worked here because of the whole Booth incident.
And I don't think Carter would fit here. He seems really lazy.
Quick fix makes it sound like it would be a bad thing to acquire a star player. We could have made that move and kept this franchise going in the right direction. It would have made our goal of being a playoff team come much sooner.
For us, it would be bad to have made the Carter trade. It would have been suicide to make the Richards trade. We're a young team without much proven talent on the roster that is still in the middle stages of rebuilding. Look at the teams that made the trades. For L.A. it makes sense, they are a contender that is a couple big moves away from the Cup. You'd expect a team like that to make a move like this. Columbus just made a desperation move. I understand why Howson did it though, if they miss the playoffs again he'll likely be fired. Tallon isn't into making moves like that. He's a firm believer in a proper rebuild. We can learn from L.A. They rebuilt properly, and now they are in a position to make moves like this. If we rebuild properly, then we'll be able to make moves like this in a few years.
His chances of making the playoffs increased dramatically.
They are better, but I don't think they are close to being a playoff team in the West still. Carter is a glorified 60 pt. player with one PPG year. Let's see how much he produces on the Jackets. It was a desperation move and it hinges on, among other things, the gamble that they can snag a premier PMD in UFA and also that Mason returns to his form of two years ago. I still think, sadly for their sake, that it will come crashing down on Howson's head.
For us, it would be bad to have made the Carter trade. It would have been suicide to make the Richards trade. We're a young team without much proven talent on the roster that is still in the middle stages of rebuilding. Look at the teams that made the trades. For L.A. it makes sense, they are a contender that is a couple big moves away from the Cup. You'd expect a team like that to make a move like this. Columbus just made a desperation move. I understand why Howson did it though, if they miss the playoffs again he'll likely be fired. Tallon isn't into making moves like that. He's a firm believer in a proper rebuild. We can learn from L.A. They rebuilt properly, and now they are in a position to make moves like this. If we rebuild properly, then we'll be able to make moves like this in a few years.
I agree. Even with our "insane" prospect depth, nothing says all of our prospects will pan out. We need to keep all of them to see who makes it.
I'd rather be in LA's shoes in a couple of years, having to cry over losing arguably the best prospect in hockey to get an ex-Flyers captain and whatever you think of him, a pretty elite player for sure...
Then be in Columbus spot where your last chance to make the playoffs is to give the king's ransom just to get to the playoffs... Maybe...
But Carter is a heck-of-a-player !!
Still... LA is a Cup contender now after waiting for their talent to grow, Columbus is a losing franchise without a clue of how to build through the draft... I'd rather be considered a losing franchise for another 4 years and be a perennial force after that !
For us, it would be bad to have made the Carter trade. It would have been suicide to make the Richards trade. We're a young team without much proven talent on the roster that is still in the middle stages of rebuilding. Look at the teams that made the trades. For L.A. it makes sense, they are a contender that is a couple big moves away from the Cup. You'd expect a team like that to make a move like this. Columbus just made a desperation move. I understand why Howson did it though, if they miss the playoffs again he'll likely be fired. Tallon isn't into making moves like that. He's a firm believer in a proper rebuild. We can learn from L.A. They rebuilt properly, and now they are in a position to make moves like this. If we rebuild properly, then we'll be able to make moves like this in a few years.
We have enough depth to handle the loss of our Schenn Simmonds and a third. Plus we're getting a great player who is signed longterm. I don't think acquiring star players and building through the draft are mutually exclusive. It could have been done.
We have enough depth to handle the loss of our Schenn Simmonds and a third. Plus we're getting a great player who is signed longterm. I don't think acquiring star players and building through the draft are mutually exclusive. It could have been done.
And it didn't !
Move on... I'm pretty sure you would have loved the rumored trade for a true 20 goal-scorer... cough Versteeg cough... while still keeping a good first pick with the 8th !
You don't give a top-5 pick in this draft... Even more so a top-3 ! Go look for Bryan Murray's comments... He has been trying to get in that top group for weeks, but he just can't. Dale Tallon will stay at 3 and will have another couple of cards in his vest to play at the draft.
We have one of the best rated draft of the League last year... We should do the same this year, with a little cherry on the cake IMO.
But it won't include trading the farm for a quick-fix ! We don't have the depth your claiming !
We have enough depth to handle the loss of our Schenn Simmonds and a third. Plus we're getting a great player who is signed longterm. I don't think acquiring star players and building through the draft are mutually exclusive. It could have been done.
We have enough depth to handle the loss of our Schenn Simmonds and a third. Plus we're getting a great player who is signed longterm. I don't think acquiring star players and building through the draft are mutually exclusive. It could have been done.
We don't have enough depth to handle that at all. That would be equivalent to Gudbranson+Howden for us. There is nobody on our roster that even compares to Simmonds at forward except for Weiss or Booth which are worth more than Simmonds. Acquiring star players and building through the draft kinda are mutually exclusive if you are trading the prospects you just drafted for that star player.
Move on... I'm pretty sure you would have loved the rumored trade for a true 20 goal-scorer... cough Versteeg cough... while still keeping a good first pick with the 8th !
You don't give a top-5 pick in this draft... Even more so a top-3 ! Go look for Bryan Murray's comments... He has been trying to get in that top group for weeks, but he just can't. Dale Tallon will stay at 3 and will have another couple of cards in his vest to play at the draft.
We have one of the best rated draft of the League last year... We should do the same this year, with a little cherry on the cake IMO.
But it won't include trading the farm for a quick-fix ! We don't have the depth your claiming !
I'm on record of saying how crazy Versteeg and the 8th for the 3rd would have been. Strawman much? I never said we should. What are you talking about?
We don't have enough depth to handle that at all. That would be equivalent to Gudbranson+Howden for us. There is nobody on our roster that even compares to Simmonds at forward except for Weiss or Booth which are worth more than Simmonds. Acquiring star players and building through the draft kinda are mutually exclusive if you are trading the prospects you just drafted for that star player.
We could have given up Gudbranson, Santorelli and a second.
I don't think that gets it done. IMO the Flyers were looking for the grit that Simmonds possesses.
They can have Skille too. He's completely replaceable. Point being, we could have made a competitive offer while still moving forward with a proper rebuild.
Not having established talent makes it more difficult for young players/prospects to come into this league and develop smoothly. A guy like Richards helps a lot. Would have also increased Weiss's production. O well.
