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06-22-2011, 09:49 PM
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I don't understand the flak Marinaro keeps getting on this board. He's the most legitimate source on the habs there is. He's rarely wrong and has broken most of the recents deals/news ahead of everyone else (Latendresse deal, Jagr not being interested, Markov situation and more).

If he's wrong sometimes, he's not any more wrong than anyone else posting habs rumors.

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Ya, im not comparing him to bob. Just saying that its pretty dumb to say, "We could have guessed that". A lot of people are guessing the same Figures because Marinaro reported a couple months ago that he was asking for the same salary. Nobody else was reporting it.
I never heard marinaro report the numbers earlier in the year, but they certainly make sense.

Its not news to me unless markov wants to leave. I've always assumed that he would be back around those figures.

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Quit complaining about the eklund thread. If you don't like it, don't read it. Enough is enough already.

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Mehan said its the 5th time marinello announces andrei signing with a ticked off of tone...


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I don't understand the flak Marinaro keeps getting on this board. He's the most legitimate source on the habs there is. He's rarely wrong and has broken most of the recents deals/news ahead of everyone else (Latendresse deal, Jagr not being interested, Markov situation and more).

If he's wrong sometimes, he's not any more wrong than anyone else posting habs rumors.
Those 2 aren't true.

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06-23-2011, 12:40 AM
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Those 2 aren't true.
He reported Jagr had approached the habs on possibly playing for about 2.5 and Montreal said thanks but no thanks. I remember posting that and everyone piled on and said Marinaro is full of it. He was right. And he reported Meehan was looking for around the same salary and they were negotiating. Explain how he was wrong

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He reported Jagr had approached the habs on possibly playing for about 2.5 and Montreal said thanks but no thanks. I remember posting that and everyone piled on and said Marinaro is full of it. He was right. And he reported Meehan was looking for around the same salary and they were negotiating. Explain how he was wrong
You got it, Jagr was interested and PG wasn't. The poster he quoted had it the other way around.

As for the Markov "situation", maybe he's arguing there is no "situation"

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06-23-2011, 01:44 AM
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He reported Jagr had approached the habs on possibly playing for about 2.5 and Montreal said thanks but no thanks. I remember posting that and everyone piled on and said Marinaro is full of it. He was right. And he reported Meehan was looking for around the same salary and they were negotiating. Explain how he was wrong
If this is true then PG is a damn moron or something is known about Jagr that is not been made public. Signing him for three million would be a steal. Anything below is fantastic. Even if he put him 50 points, that is better than Cammalleri this season and we are paying him six million.

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If this is true then PG is a damn moron or something is known about Jagr that is not been made public. Signing him for three million would be a steal. Anything below is fantastic. Even if he put him 50 points, that is better than Cammalleri this season and we are paying him six million.
of course Cammy also missed like 20 games this season.

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of course Cammy also missed like 20 games this season.
Statistical percentage would average he would have scored 57 points on his current pace. Say Jagr signed for 3m and scored 50 as mentioned above. We're paying Cammy slightly north of 400k for each extra point. Like I said, while I do not believe this is true, if it is. PG is a damn moron. This is only emphasized when you consider Jagr could be a 70+ player at a fraction of the cost.

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Statistical percentage would average he would have scored 57 points on his current pace. Say Jagr signed for 3m and scored 50 as mentioned above. We're paying Cammy slightly north of 400k for each extra point. Like I said, while I do not believe this is true, if it is. PG is a damn moron. This is only emphasized when you consider Jagr could be a 70+ player at a fraction of the cost.


and forget Cammy (whose playoff exploits help mitigate the disappointment he's been in the regular season given the contract we signed him to), does anyone really think that Jagr, right now, would be less effective than Gionta?

Jagr wouldn't come back to the NHL unless he believes he can still compete at a high level, and from what I saw of him this summer, there is no doubt in my mind he'd have more impact than a guy like Gionta... so even at 5M, odds are he'd still be a better bargain than at least half of our top 6 (gomez/gionta/cammy).

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Statistical percentage would average he would have scored 57 points on his current pace. Say Jagr signed for 3m and scored 50 as mentioned above. We're paying Cammy slightly north of 400k for each extra point. Like I said, while I do not believe this is true, if it is. PG is a damn moron. This is only emphasized when you consider Jagr could be a 70+ player at a fraction of the cost.
I agree. Honestly if Gauthier did say no to Jagr with those demands he should be fired for that.

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and forget Cammy (whose playoff exploits help mitigate the disappointment he's been in the regular season given the contract we signed him to), does anyone really think that Jagr, right now, would be less effective than Gionta?

Jagr wouldn't come back to the NHL unless he believes he can still compete at a high level, and from what I saw of him this summer, there is no doubt in my mind he'd have more impact than a guy like Gionta... so even at 5M, odds are he'd still be a better bargain than at least half of our top 6 (gomez/gionta/cammy).
Yes, except we don't have 5mil to squander if we want to ice a proper defense.

I'd be heavily disappointed if Gauthier confirms that he refused Jagr @ 3mil for 1 yr or so. I hope the reporters press him into talking about it.

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Yes, except we don't have 5mil to squander if we want to ice a proper defense.

I'd be heavily disappointed if Gauthier confirms that he refused Jagr @ 3mil for 1 yr or so. I hope the reporters press him into talking about it.
you're absolutely right...

given how poorly we've spent our cap space up front, and how many holes we still have, spending 5M$ on a UFA fwd is probably out of the question.

If it does come out that PG turned Jagr down at something around the 3M$ range, he deserves all the wrath from the fans/media he'll likely get, and from my pov, would indicate that he is clearly not the right GM for this team.

hopefully that's just another baseless rumour, and the truth is that PG has been aggressively pursuing him within the budget range that he has to spend on top-9 fwds.

it's situations like these that make me wish our organization was confident enough in their approach that they would have no qualms communicating their intentions, vision, and attempts to improve the team. For all the talk about "expect the unexpected", give me an open/honest/transparent organization over a secretive one any day of the week... it's not like our whole "tight to the vest" approach has actually benefited the team in any visible way when it comes to improving the roster.

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I don't think PG is a moron for passing on Jagr. I mean Pierre Mcguire who is really good friends with the Pens Gm said the penguins were only interested in Jagr at a Cap hit of only 1 million dollars. There are question marks about his on ice game, but he also said its well known that Jagr is a huge Diva.

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I don't think PG is a moron for passing on Jagr. I mean Pierre Mcguire who is really good friends with the Pens Gm said the penguins were only interested in Jagr at a Cap hit of only 1 million dollars. There are question marks about his on ice game, but he also said its well known that Jagr is a huge Diva.
This may just be me, but I'd hope that the Habs would be professional enough to be able to put up with a guy even if he was a humongous ***** for a year if he significantly helped the team for low cost.

Like Gionta's height, Gill's speed and Pyatt's offense, sometimes you overlook something that can be important if overall you are better for having the guy. Personality might be one of those things as well.

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It would be nice to get Markov locked up so we can maybe make a move with Wisniewski...if nothing else than to move from the 3rd to the 2nd round, there will be some pretty good pickups in the 2nd.

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Yes, except we don't have 5mil to squander if we want to ice a proper defense.

I'd be heavily disappointed if Gauthier confirms that he refused Jagr @ 3mil for 1 yr or so. I hope the reporters press him into talking about it.
I can see investing that money in guys like Laich Upshall Torres Langenbrunner Cole etc that would help our 5 on 5 offense with their style of play. We don't lack skill up front, we need guys to play with those skill guys that don't mind sticking their nose in the corners and driving the net. Frolov is another guy I'd look at, he has very good skill, above average size and is strong along the boards.

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The last part confirms what I thought, Tony Marinaro is a clown.

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This thread is hilarious...

You guys want Jagr to sign here but doesn't Markov too sign because he is getting too old ?

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This may just be me, but I'd hope that the Habs would be professional enough to be able to put up with a guy even if he was a humongous ***** for a year if he significantly helped the team for low cost.

Like Gionta's height, Gill's speed and Pyatt's offense, sometimes you overlook something that can be important if overall you are better for having the guy. Personality might be one of those things as well.
The problem with letting a diva join the team, especially a huge star like Jagr, is that you're modifying your leadership chemistry, which is probably one of the hardest thing to get right, and something the habs have struggle so much for so long. Right now, we have a hard working team that respect the game plan, and this has allow us to have some interesting success during the playoff. I don't want a guy like Jagr to come play for us, question the game plan, challenge the coach, and be a bad example for our young players. Not saying that Jagr would do all this, but just that's it's a risk, and one I wouldn't ignore.

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The problem with letting a diva join the team, especially a huge star like Jagr, is that you're modifying your leadership chemistry, which is probably one of the hardest thing to get right, and something the habs have struggle so much for so long. Right now, we have a hard working team that respect the game plan, and this has allow us to have some interesting success during the playoff. I don't want a guy like Jagr to come play for us, question the game plan, challenge the coach, and be a bad example for our young players. Not saying that Jagr would do all this, but just that's it's a risk, and one I wouldn't ignore.
Plus Jagr's game dosn't fit the fast paced, up tempo game that they are trying to create.

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The last part confirms what I thought, Tony Marinaro is a clown.
That's not what Arpon Basu thinks :

Of course, Markov is not yet signed either, at least not officially. The Team 990's Tony Marinaro is reporting a two-year contract worth $11.5 million is on the verge of being signed (those terms sound familiar). Keep in mind, this is the same guy who broke the exact diagnosis of Markov's knee injury weeks before the team released it. Just saying.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...MontrealSports

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Got to give credit to Tony, he does have connections, he was also the first to report the Price/Markov situation, so the guy does know a thing or two.

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I don't know why we're discussing the validity of Tony Marinaro...doesn't take a genius to know the Habs were going to bring back Markov.

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