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07-22-2004, 08:11 AM
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the roster from the nyrangers.com

Here is the roster of forwards from the rangers site, funny how they left lindros off and once again kept Messier on, oh yeah Sandy is not there, Yeee Haaa!! :gman:


Jason Strudwick D 6'3'' 225 Edmonton, Alberta
3 Tom Poti D 6'3'' 215 Worcester, Mass.
5 Dale Purinton D 6'3'' 226 Fort Wayne, Indiana
6 Darius Kasparaitis D 5'11'' 205 Elektrenai, Lithuania
11 Mark Messier C 6'1'' 210 Edmonton, Alberta
15 Blair Betts C 6'3'' 200 Edmonton, Alberta
16 Bobby Holik C 6'4'' 230 Jihlava, Czech Rep.
20 Jozef Balej RW 6'1'' 191 Myjava, Slovakia
21 Jamie Lundmark C 6'0'' 195 Edmonton, Alberta
22 Thomas Pck D 6'1'' 208 Klagenfurt, Austria
23 Karel Rachunek D 6'2'' 212 Gottwaldov, Czech Republic
25 Garth Murray F 6'1'' 205 Regina, Saskatchewan
41 Jed Ortmeyer F 6'1'' 186 Omaha, Nebraska
47 Mike Green C 5'11'' 195 Victoria, British Columbia
68 Jaromir Jagr RW 6'2'' 234 Kladno, Czech Republic

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How bad has it gotten for Lindros, man he has fallen so far, To bad his dad is a dick also, he seems to be a real good guy. Hope he fits in in toronto or something, I would like to see him get a cup. Anyone who comes back to play after all those head injurys has to have there head examined :lol , He must love the game and the money but Im sure he has plenty to survive on so im sure its the game he comes back for.

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07-22-2004, 03:55 PM
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Here is the roster of forwards from the rangers site, funny how they left lindros off and once again kept Messier on, oh yeah Sandy is not there, Yeee Haaa!! :gman:


Jason Strudwick D 6'3'' 225 Edmonton, Alberta
3 Tom Poti D 6'3'' 215 Worcester, Mass.
5 Dale Purinton D 6'3'' 226 Fort Wayne, Indiana
6 Darius Kasparaitis D 5'11'' 205 Elektrenai, Lithuania
11 Mark Messier C 6'1'' 210 Edmonton, Alberta
15 Blair Betts C 6'3'' 200 Edmonton, Alberta
16 Bobby Holik C 6'4'' 230 Jihlava, Czech Rep.
20 Jozef Balej RW 6'1'' 191 Myjava, Slovakia
21 Jamie Lundmark C 6'0'' 195 Edmonton, Alberta
22 Thomas Pck D 6'1'' 208 Klagenfurt, Austria
23 Karel Rachunek D 6'2'' 212 Gottwaldov, Czech Republic
25 Garth Murray F 6'1'' 205 Regina, Saskatchewan
41 Jed Ortmeyer F 6'1'' 186 Omaha, Nebraska
47 Mike Green C 5'11'' 195 Victoria, British Columbia
68 Jaromir Jagr RW 6'2'' 234 Kladno, Czech Republic

damn would love murray to gain 10 more lbs, even though where he is at is cool, same for ortmeyer maybe another 10 lbs. pock up to 215, not that im complaining about just would be nice

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He should with time {heck he might be around 210 now}.

We wont find out though till they take new measurements, the ones up now are from last season.

The info is always a little off around the league. Media guides get lazy and just reprint the same info, assuming the guy will never fluctuate and certain players are made bigger than they are.

Anyone remember Brian Leetch? From 19-till like 29 he was always 5'11, 190-195. Suddenly one season he gains two inches and is 6'1 and then afterwards he is back down 6'0.

Same thing happened to Richter who went through his career at 5'11 and then his last season was 5'10.

Chris Simon was listed at both 6'4 and 6'3 at various points this season, Lindros has been 6'4 and 6'5 in his career.

A LOT of players are bumped up to 6'0 {it is the magic height number}.

This is all of subject but interesting stuff.

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all the UFAs were removed except messier...

that roster is controlled by the official database at nhl.com not the rangers, so leaving messier was just an error

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Leaving Messier was an error? How so? The old fart has not officially retired and Sather won't dump him. So, until he figures out that he's done, he's still officially a Ranger.

Mark Messier=John Franco

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Leaving Messier was an error? How so? The old fart has not officially retired and Sather won't dump him. So, until he figures out that he's done, he's still officially a Ranger.

Mark Messier=John Franco
Officially, Messier is a UFA. However, given his ties to the organization (like 'em or not) and the fact that if he does choose to play again it will be with the Rangers, he's still listed.

No biggie either way. The fact that he's still listed proves or suggests NOTHING.

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Leaving Messier was an error? How so? The old fart has not officially retired and Sather won't dump him. So, until he figures out that he's done, he's still officially a Ranger.

Mark Messier=John Franco
messier is a UFA, therefore as of July 1st he is no longer on the rangers...he might eventually be re-signed, but today he is not on the rangers

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Theres only 15 skaters, plus 2 goalies, thats only 17

I thought a team needed 20 players minimum
What the ****, Chuck?

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Yeah I know he's an UFA but do you honestly think Sather is going to tell him NO when the old man comes in with his walker and says he wants to play another year. Mess must have pictures of Dolan and a 14 year old or something cause sure runs the show.

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{sigh} It's not even worth responding. I can tell no intelligent exchange of ideas will take place.

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why do i have a feeling now since nyr hasnt signed that center we need yet is, well u all know what im getting to... sather is gonna resign mess i have this horrible feeling...hope he doesnt

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And who exactly would you like to sign that is willing to come back to a rebuilding team that has chance?

I mean seriously people.....

For the record the roster is actually controlled by the Rangers media relations department. The pictures and background info is from the league as is the format they use to write it up.

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{sigh} It's not even worth responding. I can tell no intelligent exchange of ideas will take place.
OK, so you love Messier and I don't. For the record, as a kid I worshipped him. I still like him but I'm not so blind that I can't see it's time to retire. I lost a ton of respect for him when he left the Rangers and even more last year after his comments when Leetch was traded. I guess I'm not too intelligent tonight or at least not enough for you Edge, sorry, I've been on my feet for 12 hours.

Oh well, break time is over. Back to work. I really did love Mess at one time......

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And who exactly would you like to sign that is willing to come back to a rebuilding team that has chance?

I mean seriously people.....

For the record the roster is actually controlled by the Rangers media relations department. The pictures and background info is from the league as is the format they use to write it up.
well according to u it should be messier, and to me the guy needs to retire already, yanic perault would be a good fit, pp specialist, excellent face off man can put up good #'s his the only one i am really sold one picking up. if not wouldnt mind nylander maybe. but cullen from fla wouldnt hurt either hes young maybe can help in that dept.. basically what im saying is, im making up all centers , and instead i will make it simple.. no messier , i dont care who.

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OK, so you love Messier and I don't. For the record, as a kid I worshipped him. I still like him but I'm not so blind that I can't see it's time to retire. I lost a ton of respect for him when he left the Rangers and even more last year after his comments when Leetch was traded. I guess I'm not too intelligent tonight or at least not enough for you Edge, sorry, I've been on my feet for 12 hours.

Oh well, break time is over. Back to work. I really did love Mess at one time......

I actually dont happen to love Messier {my fav. player all time yes, but i also am realistic about who he is now.

But not one person has even mentioned a viable reasoning behind the approach other than "he's old, he's 43...that's old wow. That's like older than mom."

No one has accounted for the lost player of the "core" players last season and no one has accounted for the fact that no one is expecting messier to lead this team to the playoffs. No one is expecting him to score. His job is to lead, all the scoring he did was a bonus. But bonus or not it's not gonna compensate for core players who play like crap.

Look no further than Murray, Ortmeyer and Lampman as to why this team could use Messier if he was willing. Not when this team has several centers knocking at the door, but NOW when it doesn't have that and the first pieces of puzzle can take a few notes.

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well according to u it should be messier, and to me the guy needs to retire already, yanic perault would be a good fit, pp specialist, excellent face off man can put up good #'s his the only one i am really sold one picking up. if not wouldnt mind nylander maybe. but cullen from fla wouldnt hurt either hes young maybe can help in that dept.. basically what im saying is, im making up all centers , and instead i will make it simple.. no messier , i dont care who.

But the problem is we arent even talking about numbers at this point. Those were a suprise bounus from last year. Next year's team is simply not gonna win a lot, with or without Messier. With or without Perreault or Cullen or anyone else at this point.

Do we want a center just for the sake of having a center and putting up 40 some odd points that wont matter as we miss the playoffs? Or do we want the first wave of our kids to have EXCLUSIVE one on one time with Mark Messier? Anyone can come in and take a shift at center, but Messier's impact on character guys like Murray, Lampman, and Ortmeyer will be far greater and have a much bigger impact on the next wave of guys who will be here.

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Anyone can come in and take a shift at center, but Messier's impact on character guys like Murray, Lampman, and Ortmeyer will be far greater and have a much bigger impact on the next wave of guys who will be here.
That's my fear though. What happens to the kids when their captain, upon whom they've relied so heavily, retires at the end of the season? I imagine it'd be a pretty big blow to team morale. I think we're better off cutting ties with as much of the past as we can and letting the group we have now grow up and develop together over the next couple years and become a cohesive unit of players who stick up for one another. Signing a stopgap center to replace Messier could in fact be the better option if we sign the right center, with the right attitude, who may eventually shake off the "stopgap" label.

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That's my fear though. What happens to the kids when their captain, upon whom they've relied so heavily, retires at the end of the season? I imagine it'd be a pretty big blow to team morale. I think we're better off cutting ties with as much of the past as we can and letting the group we have now grow up and develop together over the next couple years and become a cohesive unit of players who stick up for one another. Signing a stopgap center to replace Messier could in fact be the better option if we sign the right center, with the right attitude, who may eventually shake off the "stopgap" label.
Rather than being the Messiah this time, Messier will have to play a different role. He won't necessarily lead the Rangers back into the playoffs, much less the Stanley Cup, but he will start teaching the kids the mindset that is needed to win. He bleeds Ranger blue at this point and if he can get even just a little of that to rub off on the prospects--most of whom were not drafted by the Rangers and are just coming into the organization--it will help greatly. I'd rather bring him back than sign a veteran mercenary who's only coming to New York because he doesn't have any other (well-paying) options.

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That's my fear though. What happens to the kids when their captain, upon whom they've relied so heavily, retires at the end of the season? I imagine it'd be a pretty big blow to team morale. I think we're better off cutting ties with as much of the past as we can and letting the group we have now grow up and develop together over the next couple years and become a cohesive unit of players who stick up for one another. Signing a stopgap center to replace Messier could in fact be the better option if we sign the right center, with the right attitude, who may eventually shake off the "stopgap" label.
I think if everyone knows that his purpose to teach and lead and not carry this team to a cup, it would work. Heck it worked at the end of last season.

Even when you look at the old Oilers or any rebuilding team, there was a level of vet leadership to help them along. What better leadership than Messier.

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I think if everyone knows that his purpose to teach and lead and not carry this team to a cup, it would work. Heck it worked at the end of last season.

Even when you look at the old Oilers or any rebuilding team, there was a level of vet leadership to help them along. What better leadership than Messier.
Another thing that bothers me. According to well-placed sources, the locker room was fractured last year with primarily two camps, the Holik camp and the Messier camp. The LAST thing I want is a negative locker room environment for the kids. Ideally, Holik could be sent packing since he doesn't want to be here anyway and Mess could be brought back for a season. However, Holik is staying, as is Jagr, and unless him and Mess can bury the hatchet, it's probably better if Mess moves on.

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