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06-21-2011, 10:09 PM
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I disagree. Weber is an all star defenseman, nominated for a norris, played top minutes in the olympics for team Canada and is just better. He can handle his own weight.
Suter was one of the reasons USA sniffed Gold.

Being nominated as an all-star doesn't mean crap -- Suter is less flashy, therefore the fans don't realize that he's better than Weber. Same as Norris nominations.

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I disagree. Weber is an all star defenseman, nominated for a norris, played top minutes in the olympics for team Canada and is just better. He can handle his own weight.
I now doubt you even watch NHL games not involving the Rangers.

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Taken from Prospect sites:



He won Hockey's Future prospect of the award.

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A very smart defenseman that plays a solid two-way game. Erixon is not very spectacular, but plays an effective and rather simple game. He does not throw his body around, but can be aggressive and has active stickwork. Hockey sense is very good and so is his offensive positioning. Not a pure offensive force, but has enough skills to put up points and quarterback the powerplay if needed. Furthermore, he has good size and mobility and handles the puck well.
i can do that too, doesnt mean i know everything about either player.... i dont need to have a pissing match about whose better because quite frankly IDC erixon is a ranger and thats it i was simply proving a point.

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06-21-2011, 10:11 PM
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Suter was one of the reasons USA sniffed Gold.

Being nominated as an all-star doesn't mean crap -- Suter is less flashy, therefore the fans don't realize that he's better than Weber. Same as Norris nominations.
Weber was one of the main reasons Canada got gold. Weber is pretty much better than Suter at everything besides speed and defensive positioning. Give me Weber 7 days a week.

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And Thomas is better than Hasek was, right?

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Weber was one of the main reasons Canada got gold. Weber is pretty much better than Suter at everything besides speed and defensive positioning. Give me Weber 7 days a week.
That's the most important thing in defense...

You also forget that Suter is much smarter and has much better vision in the offensive zone...

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On a related note, the 2010 Mock Draft has McIlrath down [edit: 7] picks:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=83

Tarasenko up 10 picks to #5, Fowler up 9 picks to #3.
And I have doubts Tarasenko will come to the NHL

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This is Craig Button you should immediately disregard anything he says

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I now doubt you even watch NHL games not involving the Rangers.
You're right I only watched about 8 predators games. (Mostly playoffs) Weber sure looked better to me in the games I watched.


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That's the most important thing in defense...

You also forget that Suter is much smarter and has much better vision in the offensive zone...
I disagree. Weber can stick check the **** out of anyone who enters the zone and if the still have the puck, he'll throw a bodycheck to get the puck and start the transition game. Weber has always outscored Suter so I have no clue on how you can claim he has better offensive zone vision.

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You're right I only watched about 8 predators games. (Mostly playoffs) Weber sure looked better to me in the games I watched.

OMFG!!! He shoots the puck really, really, really hard!

Suter is the better all around defenseman.

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I disagree. Weber can stick check the **** out of anyone who enters the zone and if the still have the puck, he'll throw a bodycheck to get the puck and start the transition game. Weber has always outscored Suter so I have no clue on how you can claim he has better offensive zone vision.
Why don't you ask the Preds fans? They will tell you and they are more informed about them than you and I are.

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I disagree. Weber can stick check the **** out of anyone who enters the zone and if the still have the puck, he'll throw a bodycheck to get the puck and start the transition game. Weber has always outscored Suter so I have no clue on how you can claim he has better offensive zone vision.
Physicality =/= defensive zone IQ. Suter is much smarter, has a much better stick, and his positioning is far superior to Weber's.

And really? Vision doesn't equal goalscoring. Suter is a far better playmaker than Weber.

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Physicality =/= defensive zone IQ. Suter is much smarter, has a much better stick, and his positioning is far superior to Weber's.
Don't know how you can value 'smartness' on the scoreboard, but Weber is probably top 5 in coverage, physicality, stick checking and positioning.

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And really? Vision doesn't equal goalscoring. Suter is a far better playmaker than Weber.
It's a wash. They are both great playmakers but Weber is much better at goal scoring.

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I just looked, there's actually a Weber vs Suter thread on the Nashville board from recent times.

Not that it has anything to do with the thread, really, but whatever.

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Don't know how you can value 'smartness' on the scoreboard, but Weber is probably top 5 in coverage, physicality, stick checking and positioning.



It's a wash. They are both great playmakers but Weber is much better at goal scoring.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=921168

From the Preds board. Please read.

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Don't know how you can value 'smartness' on the scoreboard, but Weber is probably top 5 in coverage, physicality, stick checking and positioning.
You can't, that's the entire point...

Suter is better at Weber in all of those facets excluding physicality.

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It's a wash. They are both great playmakers but Weber is much better at goal scoring.
It's not a wash at all -- Suter is the superior playmaking defenseman. His hands are much smoother, and his vision is second to none.

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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=921168

From the Preds board. Please read.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=929263

Weber placed #3 in defenseman rankings, just saying.

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You can't, that's the entire point...

Suter is better at Weber in all of those facets excluding physicality.
Strongly disagree. If Suter was as good, he'd be getting more media attention.

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It's not a wash at all -- Suter is the superior playmaking defenseman. His hands are much smoother, and his vision is second to none.
lol. Weber has good hands and vision too for a big man, his slap passes are ridiculously accurate.

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Getting back to the thread:

1. Craig Button's draft analysis is sometimes a bit strange.
2. Both Tim Erixon and David Rundblad will be excellent NHL defensemen, albeit under different roles. Rundblad will be flashier and put up more points and Erixon will be steady and more reliable in his own end.

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rofl

Craig Button.

This is immediately invalid. Button is a clown. Hedman over Tavares? That alone is just god awful.
Not really.....

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I made a Rundblad-Erixon thread. You guys can chip in too.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=929781

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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=929263

Weber placed #3 in defenseman rankings, just saying.
You took a thread from the main board and I took one from the Preds board. Just sayin.

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Strongly disagree. If Suter was as good, he'd be getting more media attention.
That's right, media attention makes Weber the better player. It's all clear to me now.

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Really cool. I continue to love the Erixon deal.

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