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07-22-2004, 04:06 PM
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Havlat or Samsonov

Hi guys, I am making a survey. Who between Havlat and Samsonov would you first select on your team?

Please don't take Samsonov injuries in consideration.

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Please don't take Samsonov injuries in consideration.
I'll take the Waterbug in that case.

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This might work better on the poll board. Then you get a pretty bar graph

EDIT: Oh and I vote for Havlat

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my vote goes for havlat

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Havlat, even with Samsonovs injuries.

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07-22-2004, 04:28 PM
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Please don't take Samsonov injuries in consideration.
Why not? Aren't injuries and potential for injury an issue for any player, in particular someone of Samsonov's stature?

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Well, this question asked me NOT to take injuries into consideration, so I won't. My choice would be Sergei Samsonov.

Reality wise, Martin Havlat in a cake-walk.

I'm very concerned about Samsonov's future pertaining to his random injuries.

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Why not? Aren't injuries and potential for injury an issue for any player, in particular someone of Samsonov's stature?
Fair enough but I'm of the mind Havlat could just as likely end up with two serious injuries before Samsonov gets another one. I don't buy Samsonov as being injury-prone, he's just had some tough breaks.

If I could pick one to build a team with I'd probably go with Havlat as he is younger and aside from that I think he has the higher ceiling. Though as an Ottawa GM I'd very much consider getting rid of right wing depth for what would be a top-line LW. Then again, if I was your GM I'd have the coach move one of those bodies to the LW and tell them to earn their bread.

Edit: I thought I'd mention, though, that I like Samsonov more. I simply think Havlat would be the better player to build with. I like Samsonov's speedy Russian game and frankly he has a cute butt.

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07-22-2004, 05:19 PM
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I would pick Havlat, but it's not like Samsonov is crap.

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Havlat..

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I would pick Havlat, but it's not like Samsonov is crap.
Your shortest post ever Vlad?

BTW, I'd pick Havlat for a number of reasons and the fact that I refuse to ignore Samsonov's injuries (or at least the impact past injuries have had on his development) is one of them.

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Your shortest post ever Vlad?

BTW, I'd pick Havlat for a number of reasons and the fact that I refuse to ignore Samsonov's injuries (or at least the impact past injuries have had on his development) is one of them.
No, there's been shorter than that

I just feel it is very close and like you, I have a LOT of trouble not taking injuries into consideration. I mean, Sammy has missed a lot of hockey lately.

Incidentally, during the Havlat-Gaborik thread (what's up with the Havlat threads, BTW?) I noticed Martin has yet to play a full NHL season. I don't remember the numbers but I think he is missing on average 10-15 games a year.

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No, there's been shorter than that

I just feel it is very close and like you, I have a LOT of trouble not taking injuries into consideration. I mean, Sammy has missed a lot of hockey lately.

Incidentally, during the Havlat-Gaborik thread (what's up with the Havlat threads, BTW?) I noticed Martin has yet to play a full NHL season. I don't remember the numbers but I think he is missing on average 10-15 games a year.
very good point. in fact, i'd say havlat is more "injury prone" than samsonov. sammy had a few freak incidents, one being a wrist injury that originally occurred when he was a teenager.
havlat constantly has these groin injuries or other nagging problems that tend to keep him out. so while he's played more games the last few years, he's certainly no iron man.
i also think havlat is a coward. hides behind his shield and his teammates, while using his stick as an axe. there's no denying the guy's talents, but i'd take samsonov for his skills, hockey sense and courage.

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Havlat but I'd take Samsonov on my team in a heartbeat. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

I think Havlat has only scratched the surface of his potential.

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Martin Havlat, Samsonov is good he's got some slick skating and moves but I like Havlat more.

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07-23-2004, 01:51 PM
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i also think havlat is a coward. hides behind his shield and his teammates, while using his stick as an axe.
He's not hiding behind anything.

He's done some dirty things but none of them have been from behind. And most of those things have been done to opponents who have been taking liberties with him to begin with.

Unlike former Bruin Marty McSorely, Havlat has never used his stick like an axe in all the games I've seen him play.

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You didn't notice his tomahawk chop to the face of Mark Recchi? That got him suspended? Maybe you should watch more games...

Samsonov in a walk. There's just no comparison here, statistically.

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You didn't notice his tomahawk chop to the face of Mark Recchi? That got him suspended? Maybe you should watch more games...

Samsonov in a walk. There's just no comparison here, statistically.
Actually, statistically Havlat slighly edges Samsonov

Career PPG:

Havlat - 0.78
Samsonov - 0.74

Career shooting %:

Havlat - 15.2
Samsonov - 14.2

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Pure talentwise, Samsonov, partly due to injuries, has yet to play to his potential... IMO, he has the ability to be a top 10 player in the NHL. As of now, he's a top 40-45.

Havlat HAS played to his potential. He's an extremely dangerous playmaker AND goal scorer, which makes him a huge offensive threat.

I choose Havlat.

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07-23-2004, 03:27 PM
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You didn't notice his tomahawk chop to the face of Mark Recchi? That got him suspended? Maybe you should watch more games...
You should learn what a tomahawk chop is.

He got suspended for CROSS-CHECKING Recchi in the visor.

Unless you have no idea how to swing an axe or a tomahawk, you should know that you don't hit things with the handle. You use the blade.

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Samsonov in a walk. There's just no comparison here, statistically.
Over their NHL career:
Havlat 0.78 PPG
Samsonov 0.74 PPG

And Havlat's younger too!

You should learn what "a walk" is as well.

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Pure talentwise, Samsonov, partly due to injuries, has yet to play to his potential... IMO, he has the ability to be a top 10 player in the NHL. As of now, he's a top 40-45.

Havlat HAS played to his potential. He's an extremely dangerous playmaker AND goal scorer, which makes him a huge offensive threat.

I choose Havlat.

I dont think hes played to his potential.

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Maybe he has an even higher ceiling... let's just say he's playing up to speed.

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You didn't notice his tomahawk chop to the face of Mark Recchi?
Actually, I heard he scratched Recchi's eyes out with the barbed wire he had sewn into his gloves. The big cheater.

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Originally Posted by BlackRedGold
He's not hiding behind anything.

He's done some dirty things but none of them have been from behind. And most of those things have been done to opponents who have been taking liberties with him to begin with.

Unlike former Bruin Marty McSorely, Havlat has never used his stick like an axe in all the games I've seen him play.
Cute how he doesn't like a player on your team, so your recourse is to bring up a player who once played on his team.

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