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06-23-2011, 02:58 AM
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Would the Wild ever think about trading Koivu?

I know that this topic is a little bizarre even for me but the Boston Bruins thread really got me thinking about this.

Boston finally won a Stanley Cup without Joe Thornton, their leader and one of the best players in the past twenty five years for the club.

Thornton was to be the Savior for the organization and in a way he was.

But he could never deliver a Cup to the team. And eight years after he was drafted, Thornton was traded to San Jose.

There are differences between Koivu and Thornton, many of them especially since Thornton had some reserves regarding the organization and signed a short extension.

There are some similarities though like if Koivu is ready to be the permanent full time captain for the club (leadership was severely lacking last year) and if you can build a team around Koivu.

So my question is, in a few years do you think the Wild might ask Koivu to waive his clause?

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06-23-2011, 03:04 AM
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As long as GMCF reigns no. Not probably after then either, unless there is wide enough talent on the team for him to be spared.

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That's the thing though, Boston had talent but not a lot of talent when they traded Jumbo Joe away for peanuts.

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I agree, no way Fletcher even considers it for the time being.

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Its the same reaction after every Stanley Cup. X team won the cup with good defense. "Hey guys we got to get good defensemen and start playing D". Y team won the cup with early draft picks that prospered. "Guys we need to tank for couple o' years and reap the benefits". Z team won with a cheap goalie, but the roster was deep. "Guys don't spend money on goalies, just use the money on depth, another star player w/e".

Why does one always need to copy after the latest Stanley Cup winner or the another finalist?

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Also Thornton played for his team right away while Koivu waited four years before coming over. Not really analogous.

Really do you want to keep anyone on the team TSK? I mean should we just trade every single player for a draft pick and then start over in five years? Maybe just move the team and wait for another expansion draft?

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In the cap era, you never get full value for a star player so why trade them?

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I Believe Mikko Koivu is to the Wild as is Alfredsson to the Sens... Silent leader on and off the ice.. a player that will play for the same team his whole career cup or no cup.























unless he pulls a Mats Sundin.

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+Koivu doesn't choke in the big games as Thornton does(granted he played probably the best playoffs of his career).

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Didn't Fletcher say "everyone and anything but Koivu" is on the table? I think that answers it. If he's implicitly willing to admit that he could make such unpopular decisions as trading Burns and granlund and our #1 pick he wouldn't have a problem leaving the "but Koivu" out of there.

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I believe Koivu's contract also contains a full NMC.

Quit with the Boston analogies. Boston traded Joe Thornton, but what put them over the edge was signing Zdeno Chara and giving Timmy T a chance. They got lucky. Chara is the best FA signing ever, and Thomas figured it out late in his career. Did you see the Bruins play their first few games against MTL without Chara? They looked horrible.

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Also great drafting and hiring Claude Julien.

But you're right, Wayne Primeau, Marco Sturm, and Brad Stuart were crucial to their Cup run.

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God no. They just signed him to a seven-year deal for big money. Seven! Until he pulls a Wade Redden or doesn't show up, they are building around Mikko Koivu.

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Let's try not destroying the team for the sake of rebuilding and find a way to build an offense around Koivu and Havlat.

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Also great drafting and hiring Claude Julien.

But you're right, Wayne Primeau, Marco Sturm, and Brad Stuart were crucial to their Cup run.

Actually if you think about it, moving Thornton's contract helped them a lot.

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I Believe Mikko Koivu is to the Wild as is Alfredsson to the Sens... Silent leader on and off the ice.. a player that will play for the same team his whole career cup or no cup.























unless he pulls a Mats Sundin.
Nothing silent about Mikko on the ice or off.

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Actually if you think about it, moving Thornton's contract helped them a lot.
You're right. It allowed them to sign Zdeno Chara. Like I said, Chara is the best FA aquisition of all time. If you disagree, name 3 players, signed as free agents who've outperformed Chara.

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Wayne Gretzky?

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Wayne Gretzky?
I'll bring up some more.

And wow!

Richards traded...uhh...WTF?

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Well there goes my argument. Thanks for nothing Philadelphia!

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More and more big name players are being moved. Richards, Richards, Thornton...

do I think Minnesota will move Koivu? God no but it's a fun discussion to discuss if we are thinking of rebuilding the organization.

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Just come from work and boom! stunned with all the new trades.. But no, i dont see the Wild trading him, maybe when his contract is done or almost, but is very unlikely. We need to stop comparing players and most important, winning teams. Koivu and Jumbo are far different and i like the leadership of Koivu, the point is, like Nash, leadership alone dont win games if your team dont have all the tools to succeed.
Even if you respect someone, it doest mean that you are necessarily going to play better because of this, even if you try, with all your strong and "movie" concepts . You may get a injury, personal problems, inability to overcome a deficiency, etc.

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Anyone is tradable for the right price.

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