Trade Rumors and Free Agent TalkTrade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.
I think this is very likely if Gillis has a second deal up his sleeve. The Canucks could use a good second line winger. Having 2 first rounders is much more easier to use as currency than a first rounder and a goalie.
Why would a single contract make us re-evaluate the worth of goaltenders? That statement is as much an overreaction as Philly offering that kind of money would be.
Because it would signal a change in the market place and take one of the only quality free agent netminders off the market. If you were looking to upgrade the goaltending position would you be more apt to trade for Cory Schneider with Bryzgalov and Vokoun still on the market or after they signed elsewhere?
There could be a ripple effect if Bryzgalov is given superstar money. We'll have a better idea after seeing what happens with Vokoun.
Sorry, at worst Luongo is a top-15 goalie in the league, being paid as the 8th highest goaltender in the league.
Get into semantics if the money can be used at better places if you want, but you're paying for peace of mind (ironically) by tying up a quality goaltender for this long.
Notice that long-time Canucks fans arent the ones calling for Luongo's head. Those who were old enough to remember the entire post-McLean era know how painful it has been to find a goalie. Including backups, the Canucks played 25 goaltenders until they settled on Luongo, so we're okay if she's not the prettiest girl at the dance.
I would disagree with this bolded part. While 2010 was salvaged due to some really great free agent signings, it's going to be really important every year to have as healthy of a system as you get get moving forward. Unless part of your long-term plan is to hope that the cap keeps rising every year, at some point you will either have to trim payroll at the expense of the strength of your team or count on players on ELCs to step in and play above their pay grade.
Moving Schneider at the draft, from an asset management standpoint, is a very strong play as his value will only be higher possibly around December, when a bubble team realizes their goaltending is not good enough (ala Cloutier to Vancouver way back when). it's been speculated that a strong play for Schneider next offseason would just be to hold out for an offer sheet, and the Canucks would either be forced to take on a high-priced backup or be compensated poorly for it, so waiting until next off season is not ideal, in my opinion. Finally, Eddie Lack is no slouch, and I am confident he can start at least 15 games for the Canucks next year.
I've proposed the following trades in other threads, and they've been received relatively well:
Col:
Schneider
29th
Van:
11th
Cumiskey
or
Col:
Schneider
29th
Van:
11th
Elliot
These are terrible value for Vancouver.
Ever heard of value going both ways?
Colorado wants Schneids? It starts with Jones and than you add.
I don't care if the divisions get realigned a year from now, you're still in our division, so that argument is moot. A division rival who Van has never dealt with before, will not get one of the best trading chips we have, when he does nothing to help Van in the Cup pursuit this coming season.
This thread is full of fail, how many times does the Halak comparision have to be shown to be not comparable here for ppl to get it.
MTL had to take the offer, because Halak was gone either way, whereas Price had expressed interest in staying.
Not to mention the Top 4 teams in the League all had a Top Qaulity Goaltender in net that was huge for them to get there!
Also, Thomas is now easily the most valuable player in the NHL at the moment, so any goalies are worth dick argument is stupid! There were 3 Vezina nomminees this year, 2 were in the Finals.
These are terrible value for Vancouver.
Ever heard of value going both ways?
Colorado wants Schneids? It starts with Jones and than you add.
I don't care if the divisions get realigned a year from now, you're still in our division, so that argument is moot. A division rival who Van has never dealt with before, will not get one of the best trading chips we have, when he does nothing to help Van in the Cup pursuit this coming season.
This thread is full of fail, how many times does the Halak comparision have to be shown to be not comparable here for ppl to get it.
MTL had to take the offer, because Halak was gone either way, whereas Price had expressed interest in staying.
Not to mention the Top 4 teams in the League all had a Top Qaulity Goaltender in net that was huge for them to get there!
Also, Thomas is now easily the most valuable player in the NHL at the moment, so any goalies are worth dick argument is stupid! There were 3 Vezina nomminees this year, 2 were in the Finals.
How was Halak gone either way ? He was a RFA. Nobody knew which goaltender was going to be traded and Montréal didn't have to take the St. Louis deal. It's rumoured that teams in the East were offering more, but I guess not enough to justify trading him to an Eastern conference team.
People bring up the Halak deal because it's a somewhat similar situation and Halak is better.
Take a look at some recent deals at the draft involving roster players and 1st rounders.
Cammo was traded for a mid-round 1st after putting up almost a ppg. To think Schneider is going to net you the 11th on his own is ambitious.
The second deal is probably closer in value to the first one, but Elliot is not going to make the team for a while. He put up 30 goals and a ppg as a defenseman last year in the WHL, he's not a throw-in.
Also with the cap going up to $64m, I don't think Liles should be completely off the table either.
Because it would signal a change in the market place and take one of the only quality free agent netminders off the market. If you were looking to upgrade the goaltending position would you be more apt to trade for Cory Schneider with Bryzgalov and Vokoun still on the market or after they signed elsewhere?
There could be a ripple effect if Bryzgalov is given superstar money. We'll have a better idea after seeing what happens with Vokoun.
1) That's not really crazy money for a top 5 goalie. In terms of cap percentage when the deal is signed he is right there with Lundqvist, Backstrom and the lot of them. (I just don't think he's a top 5 guy)
2) Monetary value and trade value are hardly related.
3) Vokoun and Bryz were obviously going to sign somewhere and there have and always will be just those two this summer. Outside of teams holding out to see if they'll be the ones who don't give up assets for a top flight tender, their signings shouldn't drive prices in either direction.
Gillis suggested he'll need to be floored, and then have his socks blown clear off, by an offer to consider trading him.
"I don't want to just trade him," Gillis said after the press conference during which he was visibly put-off by a suggestion it may not be fair to keep Schneider, 25, as a backup for the next year or three.
"I really like Cory Schneider - I like having him on our team and I would be more than happy to have Cory Schneider here for the next four or five years.
"If something comes our way that is going to help us improve, of course we're going to look at it. If it doesn't Cory Schneider is going to be on this team next year." http://goo.gl/W3ZtS
Yeah, I'm just so sure Schneider has no desire to be a starting goaltender any time in the next half decade.
I don't know what people expect him to say. "Yeah, man, we're totally dealing Schneider this summer, great prospect and all, but we have no need for him really and I'm just sitting here waiting for somebody to lowball me so I can just drive him to the airport finally."
I really like Schneider and think he has franchise goalie potential, but if the return is right and helps the team now and in the future you got to do it.
The Canucks are in a tougher position with Schneider than they will publically admit. The reality is, they have to trade him, and trade him soon. Despite the clammoring, Luongo is going nowhere. He's a legit #1 in his prime, has a long term contract, and despite the naysayers has been a winner on several stages. He came close to winning a Cup this year, and the Canucks will be in the thick of it the next several years. Schneider is ready to compete for the #1 spot, but it will be on another team.
"I really like Cory Schneider - I like having him on our team and I would be more than happy to have Cory Schneider here for the next four or five years.
Schneider looks like he has #1 potential. Why would Vancouver want to spend a lot of cap on 2 starters when they already have a quality #1 in Lou?
And why would a #1 want to play behind someone else even on a contender, when he could get the chance for more money, more play time, and more glory with another team?
How is this thread still open? You need to cite sources.
Canucks were 1 game from being SC champions and are favourited again to win it in 2012, we aren't looking for picks unless they get us Larsson/Landeskog.
What incentive do we have to dump a solid goalie that we control the rights to for at least 2 more years?
I doubt that Gillis would trade Schneider for a pick/prospect. The Canucks need a solid 2nd/3rd liner now, not in 3 years.
your right on. i dont see gillis doing that either, considering how hes run the franchise so far. he'd rather sign some college players and use later picks than trade assets for high draft picks.
Posts like this piss me off. Just cause someone wants a player from your team doesn't mean "it would have to be overpayment" just cause it's your team.
It only "requires overpayment" if there is NO NEED for your team to trade said player (ex. Mtl won't move Subban as he is their only young, potential number 1 D).
Vancouver could greatly benefit from moving their backup as he will never get a shot at being number 1 behind Lou and as such it absolutely would NOT require overpayment.
I agree, that sort of statement really needs to be toned down. I'd think the truth is more that Schneider doesn't get moved unless we get a good offer.
Now Schneider's a great guy, what a lot of people probably don't realize is that he could have been a UFA this off season due to not playing a minimum number of games, but last summer he agreed to a 2 year contract with Vancouver. But even though he did us a favour there eventually the clock is going to run out on our time with him, either he gets an offersheet next summer or signs a 1 year deal into free agency.
But, his value to the team now for the next 1-2 years is worth more than a measly 2nd round pick, or even a late 1st, that many people would suggest his value is. These are assets that get commonly moved for deadline rentals, and with the Canucks being a top contender having a backup that can relieve your star starter for 20-30 games without missing a beat and provide excellent insurance in case of injury is easily worth a high level rental asset.
Even if he walks for nothing after two years, that's better than just trading him for whatever you can get. So to move him it's gotta be a better asset like that, nothing crazy like Paul Statsny, but the Avs 11th overall would be nice.
Schneider won't be traded unless its harsh overpayment. I think they keep him for next year as an insurance policy. I know he's not technically proven, but there's just something about him, I can't help but feel he will be an amazing starter some day. I think if Lu has a couple bad games in the PO's again next year, then the coaches seriously give Schneider a fair shake.
