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06-23-2011, 01:28 PM
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Division Realignment - Bettman Proposal

Bettman is reported to have made this proposal at the BOG meeting.

NHL maps out major changes

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Sources say under Bettmanís proposal, the league will have four divisions: Pacific, Midwest, East and South. Itís believed the Detroit Red Wings and Columbus Blue Jackets would both get their wish to move to the East conference.

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I kind of like it.

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Only four teams per division make it, with one of the divisions in each conference having an additional eighth team, I'm sure that will lead to some lamenting.

And who goes into the East? With the regional areas so close, it also makes no sense to put teams in the South. Perhaps they should just trash the regional names and go with divisions again since how can they put Pittsburgh or Philly or Buffalo in the "South"?

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Wonder what the divisions would look like? The East division could be like 15 teams

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Bettman is reported to have made this proposal at the BOG meeting.

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So each conference would have an 8 and a 7 team division? Or 16 in one conference and 14 in another? Not sure about that.

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Top 4 from each division makes the playoffs. With two divisions having 8 teams and two having 7. Seems weird.

Why not just 2 divisions (East - West) top 8 makes it on each side. Simple enough.

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The top four teams in each division would make the playoffs. The first round would be divisonal play, the teams would then re-seed for conference play. Bettmanís idea would not affect a East-West Stanley Cup final matchup.
This doesn't work so well if you have a strong and weak divisions. I don't see how this flies.

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Can't we just put Winnipeg in the East and re-align the Eastern divisions, moving one team from the Atlantic into the SE and one from the NE into the Atlantic?

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the only thing I dont like is that 1 division will have 7 teams, and 1 will have 8 teams... but it says the top 4 teams in each DIVISION make the playoffs, so the 5th team in the Pacific division could miss the playoffs with a better record then the 4th team in the Mid West divison...

it's different then the East v West scenario when segregation of scheduling made it more acceptable.

A balanced schedule also means less "rivalry" games...

I do like re-seeding after divisional play.

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Buffalo in the "South"?
That would suck, though if Detroit and Columbus are coming over, I would think we would end up in the mid-west with DET.

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That would suck, though if Detroit and Columbus are coming over, I would think we would end up in the mid-west with DET.
If both Detroit and Columbus move to the Eastern conference, then who's the extra team moving to the West? Winnipeg is one, but that leaves a 16/14 split.

As for divisional playoffs and the uneven divisions, that can be solved by a crossover rule like in the AHL.

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if they are going to a more balanced schedule... then there is no need for divisions.

just make it 15 teams in the EAST and 15 teams in the WEST... and the top 8 from each conference make it. No more division champions ********.

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Only four teams per division make it, with one of the divisions in each conference having an additional eighth team, I'm sure that will lead to some lamenting.

And who goes into the East? With the regional areas so close, it also makes no sense to put teams in the South. Perhaps they should just trash the regional names and go with divisions again since how can they put Pittsburgh or Philly or Buffalo in the "South"?
East:
NY, NY, Bos, Phi, Tor, NJ, Ott, Buf, Pit

yup that's a problem

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That would suck, though if Detroit and Columbus are coming over, I would think we would end up in the mid-west with DET.
The other thought could be someone else relocating from their current location to a point further west. Unless they've decided to hose everyone more equally with travel, then perhaps it's Pacific + South in one conference and Midwest and East in another. Eh. Regionally, it's a bit whacky and someone is going to be getting screwed on travel and others on quality of competition.

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East:
NY, NY, Bos, Phi, Tor, NJ, Ott, Buf, Pit

yup that's a problem
You forgot Columbus.

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I think this is how it would go (at least geographically): Edit- forgot about Phoenix to Winnipeg. Moved Washington to the South and Winnipeg to the mid west. Still works in my opinion. Of course, this is purely geographic, not taking into consideration markets and political jockeying.

West:

LA
Anaheim
San Jose
Vancouver
Edmonton
Calgary
Colorado

South:

Dallas
Florida
TB
Nashville
Carolina
Washington
Phoenix

Mid-West:

St Louis
Chicago
Minnesota
Columbus
Detroit
Pittsburgh
Buffalo
Winnipeg

East:

Toronto
Montreal
Ottawa
Boston
New York
New Jersey
Philadelphia
Long Island


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East:
NY, NY, Bos, Phi, Tor, NJ, Ott, Buf, Pit

yup that's a problem
You forgot Montreal.

So not just one...but TWO of those teams would have to go to the South. Both Pennsylvania teams?

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the only thing I dont like is that 1 division will have 7 teams, and 1 will have 8 teams... but it says the top 4 teams in each DIVISION make the playoffs, so the 5th team in the Pacific division could miss the playoffs with a better record then the 4th team in the Mid West divison...

it's different then the East v West scenario when segregation of scheduling made it more acceptable.

A balanced schedule also means less "rivalry" games...

I do like re-seeding after divisional play.
Probably would adopt the AHL crossover rule. If the 5th team in the 8 team division has more points than the 4th team in the 7 team division, 5th place gets in and is slotted as the 4th team in the other division.

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if they are going to a more balanced schedule... then there is no need for divisions.

just make it 15 teams in the EAST and 15 teams in the WEST... and the top 8 from each conference make it. No more division champions ********.
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if they are going to a more balanced schedule... then there is no need for divisions.

just make it 15 teams in the EAST and 15 teams in the WEST... and the top 8 from each conference make it. No more division champions ********.
Exactly. This makes perfect sense. Which is why it probably won't happen.

East
NJD
NYI
NYR
PHI
PIT
BOS
BUF
MON
OTT
TOR
CAR
FLA
TBL
WAS
DET

West
WIN
CHI
NSH
STL
CAL
COL
EDM
MIN
VAN
ANA
DAL
LAK
SJS
PHX
CBJ

I don't see how you can move both DET and CBJ to the East without creating imbalance or moving a team that is even further East into the West?

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Not a fan. The Sabres would likely get lumped into an 8-team division with a huge number of good teams. The South would love it though because a bunch of scrubs who wouldn't make the playoffs otherwise would be in. So Bettman is pushing bad teams in so-so markets into the playoffs at the expense of his stronger markets in the current NE and Atlantic divisions. It smells like an attempt to prevent another Atlanta from happening.

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I don't like it. It doesn't make any sense to me from a divisional standpoint, at least with the apparent logjam in the East division. I also don't like the fact that two divisions would have 7 teams and two would have 8.

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it says the division winners and the top 5 teams make it? huh???

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I like "James" idea, but heres what I would do.. First move Florida too KC/Seattle somwhere in the west wher ehockey could/would/should succeed.

East
NJD
NYI
NYR
PHI
PIT
BOS
BUF
MON
OTT
TOR
CAR
CBJ
TBL
WAS
DET

West

WIN
CHI
NSH
STL
CAL
COL
EDM
MIN
VAN
ANA
DAL
LAK
SJS
PHX
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Not a fan. The Sabres would likely get lumped into an 8-team division with a huge number of good teams. The South would love it though because a bunch of scrubs who wouldn't make the playoffs otherwise would be in. So Bettman is pushing bad teams in so-so markets into the playoffs at the expense of his stronger markets in the current NE and Atlantic divisions. It smells like an attempt to prevent another Atlanta from happening.

10 worst records in the NHL this past season

21st --> Minny
22nd --> Toronto
23rd --> New Jersey
24th --> Columbus
25th --> Atlanta (Winnipeg)
26th --> Ottawa
27th --> NY Isles
28th --> Florida
29th --> Colorado
30th --> Edmonton


With Atlanta moving there is only ONE Southern market on that list (Florida). 3 very good Southern markets and teams made the playoffs (Tampa, Nashville and Washington) and one just missed(Carolina).

The way teams can be taken apart quickly and rebuilt quickly in this cap era. A weak division one year could be a strong one a year or two later. Just look at the shift in Southest the last few years as an example.


I would love to see divisional playoff play brought back even if its just for the 1st round


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I think this is how it would go (at least geographically): Edit- forgot about Phoenix to Winnipeg. Moved Washington to the South and Winnipeg to the mid west. Still works in my opinion. Of course, this is purely geographic, not taking into consideration markets and political jockeying.

West:

LA
Anaheim
San Jose
Vancouver
Edmonton
Calgary
Colorado

South:

Dallas
Florida
TB
Nashville
Carolina
Washington
Phoenix

Mid-West:

St Louis
Chicago
Minnesota
Columbus
Detroit
Pittsburgh
Buffalo
Winnipeg

East:

Toronto
Montreal
Ottawa
Boston
New York
New Jersey
Philadelphia
Long Island
The West & the South better have a good travel agent!!!


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The West & the South better have a good travel agent!!!

It might actually make more sense to put Buffalo in the East and Toronto in the mid-west. Or maybe put both in the Mid-West, put St. Louis in the South and move Washington to the East.

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