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07-23-2004, 01:27 PM
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There has to be some kind of conspiracy happening here. But you know, it will work out in the end ...i hated cheering for a Toronto team anyways.

We would love to have the Roadrunners in Victoria. Unfortunately we have commited our new arena to the (ahem) ECHL....

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Having to fly your farm club east all the time can't be good for the club's bottom line, and I'm not sure if Edmonton's market can sustain an NHL and an AHL club.
I have to disagree with you here.

First off, it's like one of the other posters mentioned - Toronto maybe a great Maple Leaf town, a crappy sports town. I think you can apply that their other teams like the Raptors, Jays and Argos. When the team is hot, the town is keen. When it isn't, don't call them, they'll call you.

Edmonton has always been really supportive of other sports and we've put on good shows. I think all those people who can't afford to pay the big bucks for the Oilers will pack Rexall for the Roadrunners. The place will be hopping all year long, and that can't be bad for the Oilers.

What is getting lost, and I'll emphasize it here, is that maybe with the extra business and work the staff will get productive and effecient. I don't know about you guys, but paying extreme cash for hot dogs, pizza and beer tastes mighty bitter when the quality is hit and miss, at best. Maybe fewer low periods will finally lead to someone working out the kinks so we get good food.

I'll predict here that averaging 10gs a night wouldn't be impossible for this team. 300k plus bevies over 36 nights is almost 10million in revenue that pays out minor league salaries.

I like this a lot...

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07-23-2004, 02:37 PM
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I have to disagree with you here.

First off, it's like one of the other posters mentioned - Toronto maybe a great Maple Leaf town, a crappy sports town. I think you can apply that their other teams like the Raptors, Jays and Argos. When the team is hot, the town is keen. When it isn't, don't call them, they'll call you.

Edmonton has always been really supportive of other sports and we've put on good shows. I think all those people who can't afford to pay the big bucks for the Oilers will pack Rexall for the Roadrunners. The place will be hopping all year long, and that can't be bad for the Oilers.

What is getting lost, and I'll emphasize it here, is that maybe with the extra business and work the staff will get productive and effecient. I don't know about you guys, but paying extreme cash for hot dogs, pizza and beer tastes mighty bitter when the quality is hit and miss, at best. Maybe fewer low periods will finally lead to someone working out the kinks so we get good food.

I'll predict here that averaging 10gs a night wouldn't be impossible for this team. 300k plus bevies over 36 nights is almost 10million in revenue that pays out minor league salaries.

I like this a lot...

As far as money in concerned... does anyone know how much the Moose pay for tranportation compared to the Roadrunners?

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07-23-2004, 03:03 PM
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pretty good confirmation here...

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/forum_p...TID=22289&PN=1

Marc Ciampa works for the Manitoba Moose (if I recall correctly), he's a regular poster at CP.

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07-23-2004, 03:39 PM
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Doesn't everybody here agree that if there's no NHL, then the RoadRunners in Edmonton would probably sell atleast 10 thousand seats a night? Doesn't matter how much extra traveling it is for division games - you're gonna make ALOT of money in the AHL if you have crowds like that!

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It is now official news, the Roadrunners will play in Edmonton next season. This is from the email the Oilers sent out to the Fans. I wonder if they will change the "Roadrunners" name. It will be a great to have the AHL in Edmonton next season, specially if there is an NHL lockout.

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I'm stoked and all, but I do feel bad for Dawgbone and the rest of the local people that helped support the Roadrunners.

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AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE COMES TO EDMONTON

The American Hockey League has approved a request by the Edmonton Oilers to move their AHL franchise from Toronto to Edmonton, effective immediately. The approval means professional hockey is guaranteed in Edmonton this year, as the Roadrunners will play this coming season at Rexall Place.

The move came after efforts to secure a home arena in Toronto were unsuccessful, and it became apparent the most logical alternative would be to move the team west to an established hockey market.

Oilers President Patrick LaForge says the relocation process of the AHL franchise is designed to be integrated with the Edmonton Oilers, in that the Roadrunners schedule will not conflict with the NHL schedule. Should there be a delay in the NHL season because of labour issues, there may be minor adjustments to the AHL schedule to accommodate more fans. LaForge adds Northlands Park has been exceptionally helpful in the process of ensuring two professional teams could be accommodated.

The General Manager of the Roadrunners, Scott Howson, says hockey fans in Western Canada are in for a treat when it comes to the calibre of play in the AHL. Howson, who is also Assistant General Manager of the Edmonton Oilers notes, "The level of play will surprise fans, as it is hockey played at the highest level outside the NHL. In addition to the calibre of play, there are the added bonuses of exciting differences to the game, including shootouts to determine winners, no-touch icing and
variations on offside calls."

LaForge says there are many positives to having the Oilers minor league team in the same building, and although there will be challenges ahead, the winners will be the hockey fans. The Oilers are already working on a plan, which would offer Oiler season ticket holders a preferential status with the Roadrunners should the NHL season be delayed. Details of the plan will be announced in early August.

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Crappy deal...

Now it's a wait and see matter to find out how long it will take for the Roadrunners to contact me and refund me my tickets.

This sucks... enjoy the team guys, they are fun to watch.

Ah ha.... they've also taken down the pop-up banner from the roadrunners website that guaranteed that there would be pro hockey in Toronto for 2004-2005....

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Sorry about that Dawg...

We'll do our best to cheer extra loud for you.

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I thgink this move is great because the ahl guys will get to be close to the big league guys and I can even imagine them working out together. It will make it much easier to get some of our rookies into the line up. This is really good news for Oiler fans.

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07-23-2004, 04:58 PM
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So it's official now right?

What do you think the attendance will be like? Do you think there will be sellouts?

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Attendance will obviously depend on how the CBA thing goes...if they somehow manage to get a deal done in time to save the season, I would say 4000, maybe 5000 on average.

If there's no NHL hockey this year, I could see the numbers go up past 7000, maybe even higher if the tickets are priced right.

Am I out to lunch here? Or too conservative?

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Roadrunners sighted in Edmonton

Over a year ago West Edmonton Mall announced a big renovation plan that included building an 8,000 seat arena. Now, I don't know the current status of their plans, but looking ahead I think WEM would be the perfect venue for the Oilers' AHL farm team. There would be no shortage of cross-promotional opportunities (and parking, for that matter.)

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Where would WEm build it though? THe only place left to expand is up.

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07-23-2004, 05:40 PM
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I thgink this move is great because the ahl guys will get to be close to the big league guys and I can even imagine them working out together. It will make it much easier to get some of our rookies into the line up. This is really good news for Oiler fans.
its a terrible idea to have your minor leaguers hanging around your nhlers all the time. the two teams should always be separated.

this is a short term, emergency fix for the oilers.

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its a terrible idea to have your minor leaguers hanging around your nhlers all the time. the two teams should always be separated.

this is a short term, emergency fix for the oilers.
I don't think it's that terrible of an idea.

However I do agree that it is a short term fix.

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07-23-2004, 05:52 PM
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In the Toronto-area, it's a great Maple Leaf town, not a hockey town. Thats not a knock against them but unless the team wears the blue-and-white they couldn't care less. The biggest draws were when St. John's came to town and they averaged what? 4500? I'm excited at the chance to see Roadrunners games here!
The Toronto/St. John's games averaged like 8,000 people.

Great rivalry while it lasted.

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Although I don't think it will make much of a difference how much they "hang around" - the Oilers will still be seperate from the RR's - but just having the farm kids that more familiar with their surroundings HAS to be a good thing IMO - help take off some of the outside presure of when a guy gets called up - and it will also make it easier to call a guy up a lot of the time because instead of having to fly him in from Toronto (I know, half the time both the teams will be away) he'll just get called then drive to Rexall instead of panick packing and getting to the airport and going through customs and flying and landing and having to get picked up etc. I only see good things about this!

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its a terrible idea to have your minor leaguers hanging around your nhlers all the time. the two teams should always be separated.
Could you elaborate on that?

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I feel kind of bad for dawgbone, that really isn't fair at all. (Pause).

Woo-HOOOOO!

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Guy?

So does this mean more articles for HF guy? Or does it just mean it will be easier for you to make them?

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Notes from Team 1260 - Howson/Laforge/Lowe

Howson up first.

1. This is not a one year deal, this is permanent. The Oilers are confident that there is a market for two teams. (Makes sense since they thought a WHL team could succeed)

2. Advantages - More accountability for the players, faster integration, opportunity for more player movement between the two teams. For example Stoll would have played for the Roadrunners instead of sitting out last year.

3. They think there is high demand for the Oiler brand.

4. - Brewer Arbitration - They are preparing the brief which has to be submitted by both sides on Aug 5th. They do not feel any resentment toward Brewer, he has earned the right to go to arbitration. He says players are well educated about the process and bitter feelings are rare. He feels that fans forget how long it takes dman to develop. (A fan phoned it upset about Brewer going to arbitration).

5. A fan phoned in asking what the team is lacking - Answer - Offence, they need to get a first lie centre. They have talked to several UFA's including Nedved and Allison. Nothing is imminent at this time. Interestingly, a fan phoned in and asked if the Oilers had inquired about Lindros, the answer was NO! His name had NOT come up among the Oilers group.

6 - Disadvantages of the Roadrunners coming to Edmonton - Lack of practice time because of increased travel.

7. - Costs - The Oilers will face increased travel costs for the Roadrunners and they do have to subsidize the AHL for travel costs/on the flip side. Less costs for player callups and scouting.

7 - Jeff Beukeboom will not be an assitant coach for the Roadrunners next year.

LAFORGE

An opportunity for cross promotions, 7 double headers scheduled next year, Oilers/Roadrunners on a Saturday. The Oilers have turned over the rights to the Toronto area back to the AHL and will be compensated if a team moves there. The Oilers will not have to lay off staff and in fact will be hiring.

Season ticket holders will be offered packages for the Roadrunners, Skybox users will get these games included.

Ticket cost for the Roadrunners approximately $20.00

LOWE

Really didn't have a lot to add, he just thought that it would incentive for the young guys and put pressure on some of the Oilers to be better.

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Could you elaborate on that?
With the move from Toronto to Edmonton, this allows the Toronto Maple Leafs to move their AHL team from St. John's (Frankie's hometown) to Toronto.

He is not fond of the St. John's Maple Leafs leaving. Therefore he is not going to say anything positive about the Roadrunners moving to Edmonton.

It's a weird theory he's produced, having an AHL team in the NHL city doesn't work. Unfortunately for him, there's only 1 other organization that shares a city and that's working out very nicely (Philadelphia).

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7 - Jeff Beukeboom will not be an assitant coach for the Roadrunners next year.
That's a shame, he did a good job last year. It makes sense that he doesn't want to up-root his family though.

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