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07-23-2004, 09:23 AM
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Good CBA related Article - Toronto Sun

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam040723/col_ulmer-sun.html

Reading articles like this are interesting. Since it doesn't stem from a propagandha hotbed like cbanews.com I round it rather inspiring. Maybe we have nothing to worry about after all.

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http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam040723/col_ulmer-sun.html

Reading articles like this are interesting. Since it doesn't stem from a propagandha hotbed like cbanews.com I round it rather inspiring. Maybe we have nothing to worry about after all.

I'm not quite that optimistic. The fault in the argument for me is that settling is the reasonable thing to do. Particularly for the players since they are the ones with the short shelf life. If this person thinks that reason dictates people's actions I must be living in some kind of parallel universe.

The other argument is that owners don't mind losing money because they are not core businesses. That might even be true for 3-4 teams anymore but it is an old argument whose luster has faded as the the 20 to 25 owners who do care have finally sat up and said so. No nhl this year in my opinion. The RR should be fun to watch.

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Reading articles like this are interesting. Since it doesn't stem from a propagandha hotbed like cbanews.com I round it rather inspiring. Maybe we have nothing to worry about after all.
I'm not sure if it is an optimistic article from an Oiler fan perspective (unless you think that the status quo works just fine). The article seems to state that the NHL owners don't really care if they continue to lose money (i.e. continue to pay huge amounts on salary) which will rersult in the Oilers still being left behind when it comes to spending.

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I'm not sure if it is an optimistic article from an Oiler fan perspective (unless you think that the status quo works just fine). The article seems to state that the NHL owners don't really care if they continue to lose money (i.e. continue to pay huge amounts on salary) which will rersult in the Oilers still being left behind when it comes to spending.

It can't be that shocking that Toronto media sees things different from .... well everywhere else.

I don't know if there has been any discussion elsewhere or if anyone has heard anything (I know some of you guys are out east) but what position does the Ontario Teachers Association take on possible salary controls?

I heard and interview with a guy from Toronto that suggested that at this point the Leafs goals aren't necessarily to win the cup at all because they can make more money for the teachers pension by giving the appearance of contending but not actually winning.(don't know how true that is but it got me thinking)

On that same track of reasoning I would think that the OTA would welcome a change that would limit spending because in the case of the Leafs, they are one of the few teams that would profit greatly by spending less. Hell if a 37 year cup drought can't drive fans away, lowering the players salaries certainly wouldn't do it either.

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If Ulmer's right, then the Oilers are as good as dead.

We don't have a Melnyk or a pension fund to soak up all that red ink. We have a collection of guys that basically did a 'pass the hat' routine just to buy the team. Of the Canadian teams, the Oilers are definitely on the shakiest ground when it comes to deep pocketed ownership.

IMO this articles makes me more worried than ever.

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Oh I agree...

Unfortunately I was unable to find the "sarcasm" smiley. Let's try this one instead:


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I don't know if I see any substance to this article whatsoever. The hockey world is different in Toronto, where money is no object to the Leafs and the media understands that and doesn't care about anything else. However the league has 30 teams, and I'd say 20 actually do want to be controlling their costs. And they have to have a majority of the owners in agreement to get a new CBA signed, or am I wrong?

Add to that the fact that the expert that makes up the entire source for the article is not even tied to these negotiations.

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I don't know if I see any substance to this article whatsoever. The hockey world is different in Toronto, where money is no object to the Leafs and the media understands that and doesn't care about anything else. However the league has 30 teams, and I'd say 20 actually do want to be controlling their costs. And they have to have a majority of the owners in agreement to get a new CBA signed, or am I wrong?

Add to that the fact that the expert that makes up the entire source for the article is not even tied to these negotiations.
If I remember correctly Bettman only needs agreement from 8 teams.

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If I remember correctly Bettman only needs agreement from 8 teams.
Isn't the 8 team number referringto the maximum number of teams that don't have to agree?

Meaning 22 teams make the simple majority?

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Isn't the 8 team number referringto the maximum number of teams that don't have to agree?

Meaning 22 teams make the simple majority?

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Isn't the 8 team number referringto the maximum number of teams that don't have to agree?

Meaning 22 teams make the simple majority?
I think this is the case. I think what's been referred to in the news around this aspect is that they don't need a unanimous decision. Therefore the teams that may be likely to object with a hard cost-certainty stance (Toronto, St. Louis, Detroit, NYR, Dallas, Colorado) can be over-ruled.

If they only needed 8 teams then we're in trouble because almost any deal can get the support of 26% of the teams, if the pressure is applied in the right places.

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It can't be that shocking that Toronto media sees things different from .... well everywhere else.

I don't know if there has been any discussion elsewhere or if anyone has heard anything (I know some of you guys are out east) but what position does the Ontario Teachers Association take on possible salary controls.
The leafs and raptors are big-time cash cows... I don't the the Ontario Teachers Pension plan cares, as long as they make a killing, which they will in Toronto.

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Larry Brooks seems to have found a little more info on what the six proposals the NHL gave the PA were. If he's true to his word, the proposals sounds interesting but get us no closer. Here's the article:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/25537.htm

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