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06-24-2011, 03:04 PM
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The 90 point Conn Smythe center ISN'T a game changer? There you have it!
Where was that center the last 3 years (he has had 3 full seasons there) in Dallas? Where did he lead them?

Wasn't the playoffs.


Anyways. I think we could acquire a better, younger C through trade.


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Hopefully the Rags sign him.
They might, good side step though.

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They might, good side step though.
I'm not side stepping anywhere. I just don't want him to be signed and by him signing with the Rags that problem would be solved.

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Where was that center the last 4 years in Dallas? Where did he lead them?
Let me get this straight. This is hockey, NOT basketball. A player can't take entire team on his own back. however, 7-8 million is right price for B.Richards.


In the most important game of the season, where Stars could've made playoffs if they would've won, Richards showed up. In final score of Wilds 5 Stars 3, Richards had 1G, 1A.

Bottom line, he shows up in important games; and thats what Leafs need! Again, you need other components to work, but Richards is worth the money.

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Where was that center the last 4 years in Dallas? Where did he lead them?
The Stars had Toskala level goaltending for like 3 years and very little by way of defense. Have you looked at their roster? They dont spend even close to the cap. Get real.

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Where was that center the last 3 years (he has had 3 full seasons there) in Dallas? Where did he lead them?

Wasn't the playoffs.


Anyways. I think we could acquire a better, younger C through trade.
if Richards can play goal and defence, that'll be great. I think it's pretty stupid to blame everything on just one player, we all love our scape goats here.

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The Stars had Toskala level goaltending for like 3 years and very little by way of defense. Have you looked at their roster? They dont spend even close to the cap. Get real.
Well, the 3 full seasons he played in Dallas, his team really wasn't any worse than ours is now.

Why are we going to up and make the playoffs now all of a sudden and challenge for a cup with him?

We still have so many question marks surrounding this team. Goaltending being one. Who knows how well Reimer comes back and plays in his first full season as starter.

Save the cap space and use it later!

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Where was that center the last 3 years (he has had 3 full seasons there) in Dallas? Where did he lead them?

Wasn't the playoffs.


Anyways. I think we could acquire a better, younger C through trade.
Classic HF. Where 31 is too old.

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Classic HF. Where 31 is too old.
Wasn't that long ago where 31 was the youngest one could be a UFA.

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Classic HF. Where 31 is too old.
No need signing him to a long term contract. By the time we are ready to challenge for a cup he will be getting up there in age.

It's not always about how old they are RIGHT NOW, especially when a player will want a long term contract.

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I'm not side stepping anywhere. I just don't want him to be signed and by him signing with the Rags that problem would be solved.
You sure changed your tune about Richards being too old after I brought up Recchi tearing it up against Vancouver in the finals at 43 years young.

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My guess:

8+7+7+7+7+7+6+4 = 6.625 cap hit.

If he falters really bad at age 39, he's only a 2 year, 2M cap hit on a buy out. Richards gets the term he wants, we get the hit we like. Burke shouldn't get accused of cap circumvention. But he will because people are tools in general. And the media likes to talk bad about the leafs. Especially TOR media.

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You sure changed your tune about Richards being too old after I brought up Recchi tearing it up against Vancouver in the finals at 43 years young.
How many 43 year olds play at that level.

gtfo Recchi is an exception.

Anyways. I still think 31 is too old to be offering up a contract that is probably going to be like 7+ years in length.

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No need signing him to a long term contract. By the time we are ready to challenge for a cup he will be getting up there in age.

It's not always about how old they are RIGHT NOW, especially when a player will want a long term contract.
I would respectfully disagree that he would be too old when we are 'ready' to compete.

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No need signing him to a long term contract. By the time we are ready to challenge for a cup he will be getting up there in age.

It's not always about how old they are RIGHT NOW, especially when a player will want a long term contract.
None of your arguments hold any value, but this one is the worst.

If we sign Richards, we contend next year. It all depends on goaltending after that. We may learn that we have to tweek here and there, but we will contend.

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My guess is he would consider anyone willing to throw cash at his feet.

Most money = perfect fit.

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Well, the 3 full seasons he played in Dallas, his team really wasn't any worse than ours is now.

Why are we going to up and make the playoffs now all of a sudden and challenge for a cup with him?

We still have so many question marks surrounding this team. Goaltending being one. Who knows how well Reimer comes back and plays in his first full season as starter.

Save the cap space and use it later!
Yes it really was, it was much worse. Their top six was average and has been for some time. They don't have a complete top six, but they fared very well. Benn's ascent has helped in that regard, but he is still a project.

Now look at their bottom six. It has sucked for a long long time. Modano was their best player and he was a shadow of his former self. He was a leader, but could not play an effective checking line role nor did he put up a lot of points.

Their defense has been absolutely terrible. They have had one big point getter and little in the way of effective stay at home D-Men. They now have 2 good defensemen after trading away one of their premier forwards. Compare that with Phaneuf/Aulie/Schenn and you will be surprised.

Turco was an absolute seive for years. Hence why he bairly played in Chicago. He was Toskala-esque. As we well know, goalies can kill your team. Reimer just played for Team Canada in the World Championship, playing extremely well, and is currently training hard to live up to his "huge" raise. If you can't see why we're in a much better position than Dallas has been the past few years then I can't help you.

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06-24-2011, 03:20 PM
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None of your arguments hold any value, but this one is the worst.

If we sign Richards, we contend next year. It all depends on goaltending after that. We may learn that we have to tweek here and there, but we will contend.
what are we contending for? one of the final playoff spots?

We won't be a cup contender unless we get Vezina caliber goaltending from Reimer.

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Yeah, I'm sure he'd consider Toronto after the Brewer deal. Go to Minnesota, Brad. Burke should work out some deal for Laich, shouldn't be too expensive.

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My guess:

8+7+7+7+7+7+6+4 = 6.625 cap hit.

If he falters really bad at age 39, he's only a 2 year, 2M cap hit on a buy out. Richards gets the term he wants, we get the hit we like. Burke shouldn't get accused of cap circumvention. But he will because people are tools in general. And the media likes to talk bad about the leafs. Especially TOR media.
That's along lines of what I'd be doing as well. Maybe a bit more money up front.

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How many 43 year olds play at that level.

gtfo Recchi is an exception.

Anyways. I still think 31 is too old to be offering up a contract that is probably going to be like 7+ years in length.
Richards is a health and work out freak besides being an elite NHL center.

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One player can have that kind of effect. I don't see B. Richards as being one of those guys though. I don't really think there are any in this years FA pool.
Unless that 1 player is a goalie from the other positions 1 player doesn't have that type of impact it's all media hyperbole. Teams with depth and a high quality TEAM GAME executed game in and game out win championships not the star power individual players may have.

Both Crosby 102 pts and Ovechkin 106pts in there rookie years were the games best players the impact it got there teams were Staal and Backstrom as lottery picks. Just an example of how 1 player doesn't have the impact that gets spewed around here.

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Think about this...if we sign Richards no assets are used in a trade for CENTRE...

So what can BB trade assets for as the next big need??? Power forward winger with size???

those 2 players make us a playoff team for sure next year

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None of your arguments hold any value, but this one is the worst.

If we sign Richards, we contend next year. It all depends on goaltending after that. We may learn that we have to tweek here and there, but we will contend.
Too many question marks to say next year but I agree that they aren't that far away, 2/3 years.

If thats not the case the re-tool was a failure and having Richards signed will be the least of their problems.

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